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Offline LC EFA

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Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« on: February 19, 2009, 05:48:17 PM »
The only "leftist and liberal bashing" that happens on DU is when someone dares to make suggestions that are to the right of freakin Lenin.

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inthebrain  (1000+ posts)  Journal  Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Thu Feb-19-09 02:36 AM
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Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
   
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Maybe it ain't just the board and perhaps I'm stretching here a bit. I recall the election of Clinton and his eight years with a lot of Democrats showing disdain for the left and liberals in general as well.

Personally I am more socialistcally inclined than I am Liberal. Liberals never really were in favor of overthrowing the capitalist but years ago they used to be more critical of it and had a much more reformist stance than they do today. Much in the way of FDR. The last thirty or so years the Liberals have pretty much ditched their reformist stances and have become what they are today. Much more in favor of capitalistic control of our daily lives than limiting it. As opposed to the socialist ideal of giving complete democratic control of the means of production the working classes and totally eliminating and control to the capitalist over the lives of people.

Today, with the racist cartoon in the NY post you see more of a caving of liberals (Racism, xenophobia, ethnocentrism are tools of control in capitalist societies) whereas you see a degradation of an African American president as monkey being passed off "unintentional racism". Then there is the liberal bashing and left bashing that ensues (which is now commonplace on this board) that would not have taken place years ago while Bush was president.

It's amazing how an election win by this party sees a repeat of the anti liberal and anti leftist sentiment of the Clinton years. Obama has not been in power for six months and this stuff is flying out the woodworks already.

Meanwhile, working class people getting plowed under have been BEGGING for this party to get back to it's FDRish liberal reformist roots to fix this mess. That this parties legacy and what's expected of it when Democrats are voted into office. When they back off of it thats when they start losing elections like they did through most of these last 20 years up until recently.

So what's the deal? The base is the only thing that can push Obama the right way and if the liberals of this party (even if you call yourself a "progressive") don't start embracing their reformist roots this party may not have another shot. They **** this up it's gonna be a long time getting back.

And what's the deal with all the liberal and leftist bashing taking place lately? Did you guys just bite your tongues for the last eight year or what? Why all the hate?

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Selatius  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)     Thu Feb-19-09 02:47 AM
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1. I favor a more socialistically inclined economy than the one we currently have as well.
   
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I favor a society with a large co-op sector as well as a private sector with the state merely acting as a facilitator for the development and spread of co-ops. I believe people should be free to own private capital, but that's only because I feel that ultimately, co-ops will prevail over traditionally structured firms and will be the largest fixture in the economy, with traditional firms relegated to secondary status.

Definitely, most Democrats, in comparison, are to the right of my position. FDR would make a good friend as far as discussion of economic issues and so would have Truman and LBJ with the exception of Viet Nam, but I would have little in common with Obama's economic positions and even less with Blue Dog Democrats and Democrats who count themselves with the DLC. Those kind of Democrats were the kinds I called Republicans decades ago.

The expression you were looking for is "I prefer communism".

"socialistically" .  :thatsright:

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2. If you think that's bad..
   
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 02:59 AM by Mika
.. check out a Cuba thread or two on DU. If you post infant mortality stats (with a link) you're a commie Trotskyite Stalin supporter who eats babies with Castro.

The castro lovers don't like open discussion of Cuba. It tends to shatter their illusions.

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leftstreet  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-19-09 02:59 AM
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3. All ur Reliably Republican Voters R belong to Us
   
Hey, the DLC Democrats started going after the swing-Reagany voters, and they got them!

And yeah, if they **** this up the Republicans (or GOD FORBID the Orwellian Libertarian Front) or a viable third party has a chance.

Most likely just be the Repubs though. Re-branding themselves as the populist, working person party.

Why the heck would they want to do that ?

Trying to do that was what lost them the last election.

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Mika  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-19-09 03:02 AM
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5. It could work. Only in America! The GOP could become the new and improved IWWâ„¢.
   
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 03:02 AM by Mika

What the hell are you smoking..

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The IWW was founded in Chicago in June 1905 at a convention of two hundred socialists, anarchists, and radical trade unionists from all over the United States (mainly the Western Federation of Miners) who were opposed to the policies of the American Federation of Labor (AFL).

That's gotta be the dumbest thing I've read on DU in some time.

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leftstreet  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)    Thu Feb-19-09 03:40 AM
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11. Obama has the political capital to call for single payer healthcare
   
Right now.

Live on the teevee.

The guy is a rockstar. All over the globe actually.

People would gladly support him in any way he suggested. If he announced that the CongressCritters would try to oppose him, and he'd like as many of us as possible to come to DC in support of him - the inaugural crowds would look small by comparison.

He will slowly lose that capital if he doesn't use it though.

I guess that would make you a teenage groupie then ?

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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2009, 05:57:44 PM »
Thats whack dog
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2009, 05:59:21 PM »
Hey...they can't do that to our pledges...

only WE can do that to our pledges!
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2009, 06:05:53 PM »
"Socialistically", I'm a redneck, a good 'ol boy. Politically, I'm ultra conservative. ....at least by DUmp standards.
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2009, 06:06:11 PM »
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Personally I am more socialistcally inclined than I am Liberal. Liberals never really were in favor of overthrowing the capitalist but years ago they used to be more critical of it and had a much more reformist stance than they do today. Much in the way of FDR. The last thirty or so years the Liberals have pretty much ditched their reformist stances and have become what they are today. Much more in favor of capitalistic control of our daily lives than limiting it. As opposed to the socialist ideal of giving complete democratic control of the means of production the working classes and totally eliminating and control to the capitalist over the lives of people.

What you're proposing is already occurring in places like Canton, Detroit, and other "worker's paradises". Doesn't seem to work out too well in the real world, you fruit.
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2009, 06:09:40 PM »
liberal bashing at DU?

I can't figure that
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2009, 06:11:33 PM »
Quote from: FGL on February 19, 2009, 06:09:40 PM
liberal bashing at DU?

I can't figure that

You have to understand, half of those moonbats think CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc. are right-wing outlets and that Bill Clinton is a rabid right-winger.

Insanity, thy name is DU.
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2009, 08:08:14 PM »
Quote from: Rebel on February 19, 2009, 06:11:33 PM
You have to understand, half of those moonbats think CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, etc. are right-wing outlets and that Bill Clinton is a rabid right-winger.

Insanity, thy name is DU.

Not to mention the primitives have abused and misused terms measuring political ideology.

To a primitive, anybody the primitives don't like is a "right-winger."

Regardless of that individual's politics.

If the primitives by chance don't like John Travolta or Juan Carlos of Spain or some other individual, well then, John Travolta &c., &c., &c. is a "right-winger," despite his politics or lack of politics.

I'm sure that if the primitives didn't like Mao Tse-tung, Mao would be called a "right-winger."

It's very silly, this devaluation of language.
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2009, 10:10:12 AM »
The response #11 up there referencing the rock star is so goofily delusional. 

Obama:  "I want it.  Make it so."
100% of U.S. population World population crowd:  "YAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!"

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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2009, 10:15:54 AM »
Having spent six weeks in the old USSR, the DUchebags know not of what they want.

Giant vegetable store, papered over window (so one couldn't see the empty shelves), long line at 5:00am, sold out of the few supplies by 5:10.  Same can be said of giant bread store, the giant clothes store, the giant....

The one and only thing available was the worst tasting vodka.
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Re: Leftist and liberal bashing on this board
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2009, 10:44:42 AM »
Quote from: jukin on February 20, 2009, 10:15:54 AM
Having spent six weeks in the old USSR, the DUchebags know not of what they want.

Giant vegetable store, papered over window (so one couldn't see the empty shelves), long line at 5:00am, sold out of the few supplies by 5:10.  Same can be said of giant bread store, the giant clothes store, the giant....

The one and only thing available was the worst tasting vodka.

They export the good stuff, Frank. What I loved about Russia from my visits is the toughness of the people, and their outlook on life. They know they are getting shafted and there was nothing they could do about it. They still kept on living. Of course, domestic violence, drunkeness and crime was high...Socialist side effects.
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