GOP Primary Conspiracy Theory

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Did Huckabee throw to McCain for a VP slot offered by McCain to shore-up the conservative/religious vote?

Huckabee is young enough to take a VP hand-off on 2016 and shiftless enough to screw Romney for his own ambitions. Alas, the Huckabee supporters appear more enamored with his religious invocations than any real examination of his record/conduct.

McCain knows he has alienated the conservative base and continues to insult us meaning he is going full-on liberal if elected. He also has enough contempt for religious voters (a contempt I'm starting to share, albeit for different reasons) to exploit them for their votes even while insulting them to their face.

I base this on the stories coming out of West Virginia where Huckabee threw to McCain even though Romney was supposedly the more in-tune with presumably religious conservative voters. Huckabee also declared teh race was between himself and McCain only, essentially declaring Romney persona non grata.

Both McCain and Huckabee are typical unprincipled, arrogant, dirty pols. Voting for them is no different from voting for a Clinton. I'm staying home in November and getting really drunk.




BTW - the MSM and liberal elite (but I repeat myself) are loving this schism. **** it...bring it on...I'm in this for principle. If McCain and/or Hillbama (but I repeat myself again) sink this nation into an terrorist-coddling illegal immigrant dominated welfare morass for the next 100 years it's no less than the American people deserve.

[Lauri]

politics is a blood sport.. but staying home means Clinton or Obama get to name possibly two or more Superior Court Justices in their first term.

no can do. you gotta stay in the game.

[VelvetElvis]

politics is a blood sport.. but staying home means Clinton or Obama get to name possibly two or more Superior Court Justices in their first term.

no can do. you gotta stay in the game.

I keep telling myself that.

But. It's. HARD.

[Dixie*Darling]

politics is a blood sport.. but staying home means Clinton or Obama get to name possibly two or more Superior Court Justices in their first term.

no can do. you gotta stay in the game.

It is my moral duty as a citizen and as a grandmother, if only for this reason, to hold my nose and vote.  We're talking life terms here people!  I'm genuinely scared for my grandchildren.  What kind of country am I leaving behind for them?

I've voted in every election since Reagan.  It's my RIGHT, it's my DUTY and it's my PRIVILEGE to participate in my government. 

[Lauri]

politics is a blood sport.. but staying home means Clinton or Obama get to name possibly two or more Superior Court Justices in their first term.

no can do. you gotta stay in the game.

I keep telling myself that.

But. It's. HARD.

it definitely is difficult this cycle. i wasnt fired up about any of them.. but handing it to the communists and/or socialist idiots on the left side of the aisle is even less palatable.

[Lauri]

politics is a blood sport.. but staying home means Clinton or Obama get to name possibly two or more Superior Court Justices in their first term.

no can do. you gotta stay in the game.

It is my moral duty as a citizen and as a grandmother, if only for this reason, to hold my nose and vote.  We're talking life terms here people!  I'm genuinely scared for my grandchildren.  What kind of country am I leaving behind for them?

I've voted in every election since Reagan.  It's my RIGHT, it's my DUTY and it's my PRIVILEGE to participate in my government. 

i think watching Hilary get the nod will light a fire under a bunch of people who are not for mcCain right now... listening to her tell us repeatedly how she is going to garnish wages and make things 'fair' for everyone for the next ten months will galvanize the country against her.

if Obama gets it, i think enough GOPers will go for Obama cause he's 'new and for change' and all that blather cause Obama hasnt really laid out his plans yet. he's a sleeper with a huge amount of money behind him right now.. he will slip in much easier than any of them on either side.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

politics is a blood sport.. but staying home means Clinton or Obama get to name possibly two or more Superior Court Justices in their first term.

no can do. you gotta stay in the game.

So far the ONLY argument for McCain is, "Well, at least he's for the war. We gotta win the war, right?"

I DARE Hillbama to withdraw our troops after a brilliantly successful surge and the Iraqi people and they're government dragging on our coat tails begging us not to abandon them to al Qaeda and Iran. The wholesale bloodletting that would ensue would make sure the We-Gotta-Go-To-Bosnia-To-Stop-Anti-Muslim-Genocide dems would never see the executive branch again for another 100 years. It would be a blessing in disguise for the GOP...albeit it at the expense of the Iraqis and the US in the short term.

Nonetheless, I don't think the even Obama has the stones to surrender Iraq to jihadists so they only argument in favor of McCain evaporates.

I refuse to allow the GOP to CONTINUE mistreating conservatives by rewarding them everytime they court liberals. Voting for McCain would only tell them they're allowed to keep treating us like dirt without sanction. Think: Harriet Miers, immigration amnesty, No Child Left Behind, $3 trillion budgets, Rx drug plans, failure to back privatized Soc Sec, failure to push school vouchers. Where does "Compassionate Conservatism" and "bipartisanship" get us any slack with the libs and MSM? They still hate us no many how many time we act French.

Ever housebreak a dog? Sometimes the nice carpet suffers, but you gotta do what you gotta do to stop the doo.

[Lauri]

politics is a blood sport.. but staying home means Clinton or Obama get to name possibly two or more Superior Court Justices in their first term.

no can do. you gotta stay in the game.

So far the ONLY argument for McCain is, "Well, at least he's for the war. We gotta win the war, right?"

I DARE Hillbama to withdraw our troops after a brilliantly successful surge and the Iraqi people and they're government dragging on our coat tails begging us not to abandon them to al Qaeda and Iran. The wholesale bloodletting that would ensue would make sure the We-Gotta-Go-To-Bosnia-To-Stop-Anti-Muslim-Genocide dems would never see the executive branch again for another 100 years. It would be a blessing in disguise for the GOP...albeit it at the expense of the Iraqis and the US in the short term.

Nonetheless, I don't think the even Obama has the stones to surrender Iraq to jihadists so they only argument in favor of McCain evaporates.

I refuse to allow the GOP to CONTINUE mistreating conservatives by rewarding them everytime they court liberals. Voting for McCain would only tell them they're allowed to keep treating us like dirt without sanction. Think: Harriet Miers, immigration amnesty, No Child Left Behind, $3 trillion budgets, Rx drug plans, failure to back privatized Soc Sec, failure to push school vouchers. Where does "Compassionate Conservatism" and "bipartisanship" get us any slack with the libs and MSM? They still hate us no many how many time we act French.

Ever housebreak a dog? Sometimes the nice carpet suffers, but you gotta do what you gotta do to stop the doo.

I agree that McCain is not our best effort but even after all the crap Jimmy Carter put this country thru, Bill Clinton still got in... I think our parents generation decided that talking politics was just not very polite and a LOT of the historical stuff didnt get passed on to us, a lot of it is forgotten.

Well, I intend to end that; I'm taking my 8 year old with me this saturday to caucus. And I've taken her with me to vote and I talk about my voting and what it means for us as a family and as a country. If the adults in this country would stop being afraid to discuss these extrememly important issues we could reign this nightmare in... but as it stands, nobody but Rush and a few others even bring it up and look at all the flack he is taking.

WE have let the media decide this thing cause WE as a society are lazy. We arent teaching our kids about civics or the importance of what is at stake.

If you dont go vote for the president, then you wont be voting for the rest of the ticket and THEN we will escalate the problems we see looming out there on the horizon with the threat of a Leftie President.

[The Night Owl]

BTW - the MSM and liberal elite (but I repeat myself) are loving this schism. **** it...bring it on...I'm in this for principle.

I don't know about the MSM or the liberal elite, but I do know that I'm getting a huge kick out of watching the far right convulse as John McCain soars to the nomination. Then again, I have this feeling I can't shake that McCain is not going to get that nomination. Of course, I kind of hope he doesn't get the nomination because I think he is the only Republican who has an excellent chance of beating Hillary Clinton.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

BTW - the MSM and liberal elite (but I repeat myself) are loving this schism. **** it...bring it on...I'm in this for principle.

I don't know about the MSM or the liberal elite, but I do know that I'm getting a huge kick out of watching the far right convulse as John McCain soars to the nomination. Then again, I have this feeling I can't shake that McCain is not going to get that nomination. Of course, I kind of hope he doesn't get the nomination because I think he is the only Republican who has an excellent chance of beating Hillary Clinton.

No, because the MSM will savage McCain the instant he gets the nomination.

All those times he was lauded for being a maverick (read: RINO) and the 2004 meme that vets know best will be forgotten as soon as he hits the RNC. He'll be plastered for his immigration stance--which even Hillary was able to back-peddle away from without challenge and the Keating 5 scandal.

He's a patsy and like all pastsies he's too egotistical and stupid to know that his so-called friends are just setting him up. It will be a bitter-sweet "I told you so" when he's standing dumbfounded wondering why his polls are sinking as hit-piece after hit-piece cascades across the papers and TV screens while there is no mention of Hillary having done the exact same thing if not worse. The only ones that would ever dare to point out Hillary's superior inferiority would be the very conservatives McCain has chosen to piss all over.

I'll be pushing to get good people into congress and the senate. That's where conservatives need to focus for the next decade.

[Lauri]

the media may savage him but think about this:

when McCain and Hilary go head to head in their debates - she is either going to cry or be ripped apart. McCain does have a temper and we may get to see it during these debates against her..

PLUS, they will have to answer pointed questions about taxes and spending and that ought to scare most red blooded Americans. I still dont think most of the country is plugged in yet. Statistically, I think most people start watching after the nominees are set ... so, once that happens this whole thing could change dramatically. If McCain were to beat the hot pants off Hilary in a stunning defeat, he'd see we do NOT want her taxes or health care or any of that other liberal crap she's peddling. 

Dont give up yet.. this party hasnt even gotten started for most of the US yet.. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

The only thing McCain has to worry about from Hillary is she will spout the next idiotic big money liberal government control scheme before he gets to name it. His campaing motto will be, "Hey! I was gonna say that!"

[Attero Dominatus]

the media may savage him but think about this:

when McCain and Hilary go head to head in their debates - she is either going to cry or be ripped apart. McCain does have a temper and we may get to see it during these debates against her..

PLUS, they will have to answer pointed questions about taxes and spending and that ought to scare most red blooded Americans. I still dont think most of the country is plugged in yet. Statistically, I think most people start watching after the nominees are set ... so, once that happens this whole thing could change dramatically. If McCain were to beat the hot pants off Hilary in a stunning defeat, he'd see we do NOT want her taxes or health care or any of that other liberal crap she's peddling. 

Dont give up yet.. this party hasnt even gotten started for most of the US yet.. 

She will probably be ripped apart AND cry. The pity vote is pretty much all she has since she is not hiding her marxism.

[Chris_]

She will probably be ripped apart AND cry. The pity vote is pretty much all she has since she is not hiding her marxism.

And THAT will win the general election for her.......It won her the NY Senate seat.....and it won her the NH primary.....

The "stupid vote" in America, and the women, will flock to her as an "aggrieved, abused poor me" candidate.....

And it will work....

doc

[Lauri]

She will probably be ripped apart AND cry. The pity vote is pretty much all she has since she is not hiding her marxism.

And THAT will win the general election for her.......It won her the NY Senate seat.....and it won her the NH primary.....

The "stupid vote" in America, and the women, will flock to her as an "aggrieved, abused poor me" candidate.....

And it will work....

doc

I'm actually starting to think Hilary might not get the nomination now... I didnt figure she would run out of money. I didnt figure Obama would make it this far .. and be beating her.

[Chris_]

She will probably be ripped apart AND cry. The pity vote is pretty much all she has since she is not hiding her marxism.

And THAT will win the general election for her.......It won her the NY Senate seat.....and it won her the NH primary.....

The "stupid vote" in America, and the women, will flock to her as an "aggrieved, abused poor me" candidate.....

And it will work....

doc

I'm actually starting to think Hilary might not get the nomination now... I didnt figure she would run out of money. I didnt figure Obama would make it this far .. and be beating her.

That IS the wild card in this whole scenario.....I think that Obama will win the nomination, based on his position right now, and the primaries that are upcoming.......he has a really good chance......

THEN in the fall we will have a young, dynamic minority Democrat.....that talks like Martin Luther King....and looks like a black JFK......going up against an old tired Republican "retread"......who happens to be the guy that "is due for his turn".....looking and sounding like Bob Dole, and you have the makings of a Democratic Landslide"......

ymmv

doc

[Lauri]

as of today, that all looks very likely..

[DixieBelle]

^which is EXACTLY why we need to get our collective you-know-what together. History repeats itself and the liberals have been trying to relive the 60's forever. I really want to pull the covers over my head but we can't!!!

[Chris_]

^which is EXACTLY why we need to get our collective you-know-what together. History repeats itself and the liberals have been trying to relive the 60's forever. I really want to pull the covers over my head but we can't!!!

Exactly what do you propose that we do??  It appears to me that "the people have spoken".......it's waaaaay too late to do anything about November.

In my opinion, if we actually had any leadership in the republican party, the RNC chairman should have cornered McCain two years ago, and calmly advised him that "you are NOT going to be this party's presidential candidate in 2008.......the party will not support you in any way.  You are free to mount an independent effort should you choose, but you are not going to be our candidate......

But that converstaion assumes we actually HAVE any leadership in the party today......and that is a really big assumption....

doc

[Lauri]

^which is EXACTLY why we need to get our collective you-know-what together. History repeats itself and the liberals have been trying to relive the 60's forever. I really want to pull the covers over my head but we can't!!!

Exactly what do you propose that we do??  It appears to me that "the people have spoken".......it's waaaaay too late to do anything about November.

In my opinion, if we actually had any leadership in the republican party, the RNC chairman should have cornered McCain two years ago, and calmly advised him that "you are NOT going to be this party's presidential candidate in 2008.......the party will not support you in any way.  You are free to mount an independent effort should you choose, but you are not going to be our candidate......

But that converstaion assumes we actually HAVE any leadership in the party today......and that is a really big assumption....

doc

i honestly dont even know who the RNC Chairmen is ...

[Chris_]

i honestly dont even know who the RNC Chairmen is ...

Exactly my point......we have no party leadership.....

However, I'll bet that you know who the DNC chairman is, right?

doc

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

^which is EXACTLY why we need to get our collective you-know-what together. History repeats itself and the liberals have been trying to relive the 60's forever. I really want to pull the covers over my head but we can't!!!

Exactly what do you propose that we do??  It appears to me that "the people have spoken".......it's waaaaay too late to do anything about November.

In my opinion, if we actually had any leadership in the republican party, the RNC chairman should have cornered McCain two years ago, and calmly advised him that "you are NOT going to be this party's presidential candidate in 2008.......the party will not support you in any way.  You are free to mount an independent effort should you choose, but you are not going to be our candidate......

But that converstaion assumes we actually HAVE any leadership in the party today......and that is a really big assumption....

doc

1. We have no leadership, that much is obvious.

2. The GOP tries too hard to play southern gentleman. If they won't eject a racist like Ron Paul there's no way in hell they'd tell McCain to pipe down.

3. If I'm not mistaken Rahm Emmanuel is the GOP leader.

[DixieBelle]

excellent points. The leadership of the GOP is to blame. And it started a while back. Not just this election cycle or even 06.

Mike Duncan was elected RNC Chairman Jan 07. I had to google that. Scary!!!! I've never heard of this guy....

And prior to that -

Sen. Mel Martinez, who will become the new general chairman of the Republican Party after it lost control of Congress, said on Tuesday he would not be an “attack dog” in the 2008 White House race.

…”One of the things that I made clear as I discussed this job role with the president is I was not going to be an attack dog, and I don’t intend to, and I wasn’t asked to be one,” he told reporters at the White House.

I think Micheal Steele should have accpeted the offer when it was being discussed unofficially. Instead we got Martinez and now Duncan?

[Lauri]

i honestly dont even know who the RNC Chairmen is ...

Exactly my point......we have no party leadership.....

However, I'll bet that you know who the DNC chairman is, right?

doc

yeah. Howard Dean, who hasnt been all that active as well.

I figured President Bush was the leader of the party (irrespective of the RNC Chair) but he hasnt seen fit to do that job either...

[LadyLiberty]

Did Huckabee throw to McCain for a VP slot offered by McCain to shore-up the conservative/religious vote?

I think that is exactly what happened. McCain and Huckabee are a symbiotic team, who need each other in order to win anything. Huckabee affords McCain the Southern Bible Belt, that we know.

And you're right, the Dems are loving the fact that we are getting snookered into this shit.

One political pundit on FNC said that they (the Dems) have unity in their party (and he said it in a very antagonistic tone, taking full pleasure in the fact.)