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Offline rich_t

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« on: February 15, 2009, 12:37:18 AM »
I've been drinkin' which got me to thinkin'

In your opinion are credit cards too easy to get?

I have 2 credit cards.  One in my name only and one joint card with my wife.  Between the two they have just over 42K in available credit.

About a year or so ago I canceled a single card in my name with a 37K credit limit.

How many people are now in financial trouble due to over extended credit card debt?

I realize that some end up in credit card trouble due to job loss, unexpected medical expenses etc...

But how many get in trouble just by using credit cards to buy stuff they can't really afford?  This doesn't include car loans, mortages etc...  Just that little piece of plactic in your wallet or purse.

I know that I had to file bankruptcy in the late 80s for using credit cards to play keep up with the Jones'

I bought stuff I couldn't afford using credit cards and it caught up with me.  I was 25K in debt...  That was a lot of money in 1987.
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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2009, 12:43:23 AM »
I wouldn't think that they are easy to get anymore.  just judging from my mail, I get much fewer "free credit card" letters than I did, say, 6 months ago.

I have 5 credit cards, AMEX, Visa, MC, & etc.

they all have a zero balance, or close to it.

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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2009, 12:46:25 AM »
I wouldn't think that they are easy to get anymore.  just judging from my mail, I get much fewer "free credit card" letters than I did, say, 6 months ago.

I have 5 credit cards, AMEX, Visa, MC, & etc.

they all have a zero balance, or close to it.

I still get about 2 offers a week in the mail.  Some from the same CC company I already have a card from.

I got tired of calling them and complaining about that.

I too carry a zero balance (or close to it) these days.
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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2009, 01:33:38 AM »

In the past it was easy to use a credit card for a motel or flight, and then put off paying the balance.

Now I just use debit and it's done and over with.

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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2009, 07:33:26 AM »
 Ditto      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Debit only with a $300 per day limit. Cant do a bunch with it but I wont get hurt much if it's lost or stolen.

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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2009, 07:37:37 AM »
I still get those stupid offers all the time.  Furthermore, as soon as my daughter signed up for college - even though events conspired to send her to college when she was 16 - she started receiving them, also.  PRE-APPROVED.  Of course, they still check you out before sending a card, but even banks loan far more than can be reasonably repaid.

When we bought our last car, we went to a bank for the loan.  The VP looked over our bills and payments, and at only MY income, and was willing to loan me the money despite the fact that our bills made it clear the we'd be down to $100 after bills, every month.  I could NOT believe it.   :o  It's like they don't think people actually buy groceries or clothing. 
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2009, 08:59:54 AM »
I'm of two minds about it, honestly.  I have a huge amount of unused credit, and two cards with balances on them.  The immediate and unquestioned availabilty of a large lump sum has proven invaluable a couple of times, one of them very recently.  I've done all of it with my eyes wide open and have no beef with the companies, I got what I wanted out of the deal at a price I could afford.  It's a "Buyer beware" situation, the fundamental problem is that a lot of the buyers seem to lack any detectable appreciation of the consequences when they indulge in using the cards.     
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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2009, 11:04:02 AM »
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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2009, 01:40:07 PM »
I never get credit card offers in the mail.

I have joint cards with each of my parents, but none in only my name.  I find in regular life debit cards work just fine.  If there's something like the fridge purchase, I always can find a way to make it work.  And I never travel by air or need a rental car, so that's not a problem either.

But in general, I say yes credit cards were at least at one time too easy to get.  Hell when I was 18 Discover gave me a card with a $10,000 limit.  As my dad says there's too many people "living the champagne life on a beer budget."
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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2009, 02:19:30 PM »
I have more cards then I need or use,they have been tools at times for 0 interest loans on a well,new furnace and such over the years.

I could probably have a few more if I didn`t throw out all the offers that show up every week.

As far as being too easy to get I would say only as it applies to students that don`t have the means to pay,the assumption is mom and dad will bail them out.
They also should only be offered cards with low limits to prove credit worthiness,maybe $500.00.

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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2009, 02:33:52 PM »
Ditto      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Debit only with a $300 per day limit. Cant do a bunch with it but I wont get hurt much if it's lost or stolen.

That probably hurts your credit rating.  Low balances mean if you use any of them you have a very high available credit to use ratio.  If you don't use them at all then they don't count since the divisor is zero and doesn't go into the calculation.  Better to get at least one card with a medium high limit (like $5K) and use it sparingly.

But keeping your credit card debt at zero is always the best first step. It is only if you have enough income and discipline that you start making moves to up your score.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2009, 02:35:07 PM »
I never get credit card offers in the mail.

I have joint cards with each of my parents, but none in only my name.  I find in regular life debit cards work just fine.  If there's something like the fridge purchase, I always can find a way to make it work.  And I never travel by air or need a rental car, so that's not a problem either.

But in general, I say yes credit cards were at least at one time too easy to get.  Hell when I was 18 Discover gave me a card with a $10,000 limit.  As my dad says there's too many people "living the champagne life on a beer budget."

I mostly get affinity sign and sends -- airlines and hotels with which I have relationships.
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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2009, 02:54:09 PM »
That probably hurts your credit rating.  Low balances mean if you use any of them you have a very high available credit to use ratio.  If you don't use them at all then they don't count since the divisor is zero and doesn't go into the calculation.  Better to get at least one card with a medium high limit (like $5K) and use it sparingly.

But keeping your credit card debt at zero is always the best first step. It is only if you have enough income and discipline that you start making moves to up your score.

It is a delicate balance isn`t it.
After years of debt from the farm here swore I would never see that happen again so limited my credit to local accounts which were paid when the bill came.
Found out when I went to buy a new vehicle in 1995 that despite that I had zero recorded credit.

The bottom line is responsibility,as old as that sounds sometimes.

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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2009, 02:58:57 PM »
It is a delicate balance isn`t it.
After years of debt from the farm here swore I would never see that happen again so limited my credit to local accounts which were paid when the bill came.
Found out when I went to buy a new vehicle in 1995 that despite that I had zero recorded credit.

The bottom line is responsibility,as old as that sounds sometimes.

But you do need to know how the game is played.  If you are responsible then the rest falls into place.  But, as you found out, being overly conservative doesn't work when it comes to credit.
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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2009, 11:04:34 PM »
Ditto      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 Debit only with a $300 per day limit. Cant do a bunch with it but I wont get hurt much if it's lost or stolen.

You are only liable for the 1st $50 on a lost or stolen credit card with most CC companies.
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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2009, 11:08:25 PM »
I still get those stupid offers all the time.  Furthermore, as soon as my daughter signed up for college - even though events conspired to send her to college when she was 16 - she started receiving them, also.  PRE-APPROVED.  Of course, they still check you out before sending a card, but even banks loan far more than can be reasonably repaid.

When we bought our last car, we went to a bank for the loan.  The VP looked over our bills and payments, and at only MY income, and was willing to loan me the money despite the fact that our bills made it clear the we'd be down to $100 after bills, every month.  I could NOT believe it.   :o  It's like they don't think people actually buy groceries or clothing. 

I've been thinking for years that some colleges "sell" student info to lenders.  Seems like CC offers start showing up very quickly after a kid enrolls these days.  I don't believe in that level of coincidence .
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2009, 11:11:42 PM »
I never get credit card offers in the mail.

I have joint cards with each of my parents, but none in only my name.  I find in regular life debit cards work just fine.  If there's something like the fridge purchase, I always can find a way to make it work.  And I never travel by air or need a rental car, so that's not a problem either.

But in general, I say yes credit cards were at least at one time too easy to get.  Hell when I was 18 Discover gave me a card with a $10,000 limit.  As my dad says there's too many people "living the champagne life on a beer budget."

I am glad that you mentioned the car rental issue.  It is near impossible to rent a car without a CC these days.  Sure you can pay cash, but they want that CC info on file to cover potential losses.  Same with many hotel chains.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2009, 11:16:33 PM »
But you do need to know how the game is played.  If you are responsible then the rest falls into place.  But, as you found out, being overly conservative doesn't work when it comes to credit.

I must have played the game right.  I wasn't attempting to work the system, but my FICO score is pretty high.

It was 803 before I co-signed the loan for my son's car.  It dropped to 797 when I did that.
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Re: Credit Cards
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2009, 11:46:30 PM »
Credit cards are too easy to get. I only have two that I use and pay off the balance every month. Having my house paid off with no debt is a great feeling.

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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2009, 11:49:03 PM »
Credit cards are too easy to get. I only have two that I use and pay off the balance every month. Having my house paid off with no debt is a great feeling.

You still owe property taxes... you don't really own your house.  They just want you to think you do. :tinfoil2:

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2009, 12:12:48 AM »
You still owe property taxes... you don't really own your house.  They just want you to think you do. :tinfoil2:

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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2009, 12:23:18 AM »
Here you go.

You thought I was making that up?
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« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2009, 12:39:26 AM »
Here you go.

You thought I was making that up?

Damn, my own words come back to prove me right.

Does it get any better?

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2009, 12:53:12 AM »
Damn, my own words come back to prove me right.

Does it get any better?

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:rofl: Gotcha.
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2009, 05:50:55 AM »
I have joint cards with each of my parents, but none in only my name.  I find in regular life debit cards work just fine.  If there's something like the fridge purchase, I always can find a way to make it work.  And I never travel by air or need a rental car, so that's not a problem either.

But in general, I say yes credit cards were at least at one time too easy to get.  Hell when I was 18 Discover gave me a card with a $10,000 limit.  As my dad says there's too many people "living the champagne life on a beer budget."

The tagging along on another persons CC's (typically a parent), was the classic way to instantly gain near perfect credit scores in the past.  They're changing that rule as companies have started offering to do the service for a small fee with strangers, and it started becoming more well known.