This Will All Blow Up In the Republicans' Faces

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Solomon  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)    Wed Feb-04-09 04:56 PM
Original message
I Guess I'm the Only One Who Thinks This Will All Blow Up In the Republicans' Faces
   
Let them do what they will. From my perspective, they have a shovel in their hands and they are digging their own graves.

But then again. I'm just as stupid as Obama is. Everyone else is so much smarter and knows better.

I have come to the conclusion that it is absolutely absurd for people to think that they know better than Obama how to navigate upstream through treacherous waters. He's only been doing that all of his life. All his life.

It is amusing to me to watch republicans take credit for refusing to help fix a disaster. Not only are they owning it, but they are bragging about it glee.

So sorry their misguided glee is upsetting so many DUers. When Bush was in office, everyone here castigated the media. Now that Obama is in, when I click on DU, all I see are media memes. The media tells people what Americans think about something (as if they know) and people here use it as proof of their doubts.

I think Obama's strategy is very very long-term, even while he struggles to get something done right now. A lot of people would rather have revenge than to be placed on a good sound footing for the future.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8168149

Any one care to lay a wager that if ObamaPlan fails they're going to find a way to blame everyone other than Obama and the dhimmicrats.

Blue Meany  (292 posts)  Wed Feb-04-09 05:01 PM
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1. I'm thinking along the same lines...
   
Democrats in the Senate are scrambling to revise the stimulus bill to get 60 votes to overide a fillibuster. I say make them fillibuster! Let the country see them play politics in the face of catastrophe.

If it wasn't for those three traitors who shall remain nameless the Democrats would own this failure entirely, and wouldn't be able to say "blub blub blub The Republicans supported it"

nichomachus  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-04-09 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Never underestimate the ability
   
of the American public to vote against their own best interests. How do you think we got in this mess to begin with?

A closed mouth gathers no feet DUmmie... You'd be wise to consider these words.

emulatorloo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-04-09 05:21 PM
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4. I'm thinking so too -
   
It is becoming pretty clear that they have one interest and one interest only

- regaining power for themselves and the Republican party by trying to embarass Obama with loud-mouth "objections"

They have no interest in the fate of the country, just themselves and the GOP.

They are going to be on the wrong side of history.

Well, lets just let the results of ObamaPork show who was right.

KittyWampus  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-04-09 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. hello? That's how you negotiate. Start with more and end up with less.

Interesting philosophy there. Could explain why democrats always get the shitty end of the stick in negotiations.

4lbs  (1000+ posts)    Wed Feb-04-09 07:19 PM
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21. Anyone who has read President Obama's two books has a good idea what he's doing.
   
I'm not worried.

Two books. He must have had a lot of free time in between voting "present" and being a community activist.

AlinPA  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Feb-05-09 09:33 AM
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44. Whether good or bad results - Obama will be credited (or blamed). Republicans have
   
no reason to enable any credit for Obama for a stimulus package. The election is next year and without a stimulus, Obama will be blamed. Simple for them. They control the media.

How any leftard can continue to repeat the mantra that the right controls the media after the farcical performance of the media in the election run up, is completely beyond me.

[Carl]

nichomachus  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-04-09 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Never underestimate the ability
   
of the American public to vote against their own best interests. How do you think we got in this mess to begin with?

I take most DUmmy talk for what it is..the idiotic ramblings of people that are unable to think past the word "Gimme"..but this constant saying of theirs really irritates me.

DUmmies take a look at history,the only way the Marxist system you yearn for can be forced to exist is by locking the citizens inside the borders.
Those that produce will not stay to see it confiscated and handed to those that will not produce.
This makes the system collapse instantly so its citizens must be forced to stay....the iron curtain...we saw it happen in Eastern Europe.
Remember that thing called the Berlin wall,it wasn`t to keep the West Germans out it was to keep the East Germans imprisoned in Marxism and destitution.
It becomes Communism at that point and it happened and it failed.

I do vote in my best interests dumbass.
I vote to try to keep that from happening here.

[Chris]

nichomachus  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-04-09 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Never underestimate the ability of the American public to vote against their own best interests.

Ah, yes.  The 2004 election catchphrase of the year... I first heard it in this context from a lifelong UAW member.  Translated, it means, "How dare you think for yourself?"

[Mike220]

emulatorloo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Feb-04-09 05:21 PM
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4. I'm thinking so too -
   
It is becoming pretty clear that they have one interest and one interest only

- regaining power for themselves and the Republican Democrat party by trying to embarass Obama Bush with loud-mouth "objections"

They have no interest in the fate of the country, just themselves and the GOP CPUSA.

They are going to be on the wrong side of history.

Fixed. And in regards to the last line of drivel, if these yahoos can tell the future, why aren't they picking the winning lottery numbers. That's what I'd be doing.

[Chris]

Solomon  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)    Wed Feb-04-09 04:56 PM
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I'm just as stupid as Obama is.

Yup. 

[AllosaursRus]

Solomon  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)    Wed Feb-04-09 04:56 PM
Original message

I'm just as stupid as Obama is.

Yup. 

I'm going to keep this quote! I certainly believe they are going to have to be reminded of this in 6 mos!!!

[Lord Undies]

Yep, you Little Goons.  Your beloved democrats own this disaster lock, stock, barrel, revits, iron bands, and bowed plank-for-plank.  It's YOURS!!

Scared, are you Little Goons?

You thought a wonderful guy like George W. Bush was going to set the Republicans adrift for twenty years.  Your little illegal Bozo president has now single-handedly sent the democrats into oblivion.

Most of America is now longing for President Bush.  You idiots.

[jukin]

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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

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To wit, the new Newt:

WASHINGTON — The last time Congressional Republicans were this out of power, they turned to a college professor from Georgia, Newt Gingrich, to lead the opposition, first against President Bill Clinton in a budget battle in 1993, and then back into the majority the following year.

As Republicans confronted President Obama in another budget battle last week, their leadership included another new face: Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, who as the party’s chief vote wrangler is as responsible as anyone for the tough line the party has taken in this first legislative standoff with Mr. Obama. This battle has vaulted Mr. Cantor to the front lines of his party as it tries to recover from the losses of November.

[TheSarge]

How any leftard can continue to repeat the mantra that the right controls the media after the farcical performance of the media in the election run up, is completely beyond me.

They can repeat it because they believe that if the Libs truly controlled the media...Fox News and Conservative Talk Radio wouldn't exist.


They exist...therefore in the DUmmies mind...the media is controlled by the VRWC.

[Attero Dominatus]

DUmmies, this is your party's failure. The National Socialists have shot themselves in the foot with the porkobill, especially the health care part because people won't take kindly to a government run health system that will let the seniors and terminally ill people die. It will be like 1994 again.

[lnthomp]

I'm betting next January, the unemployment rate will be in double digits, and January 2011 unemployment will be above 20%.  Because of the bill the House Republicans and most (R) Senators fought against.

The Oregon legislature  had a bill introduced, from the (D) Governor's office , proposing to prohibit any after-market modifications to automobiles.  No bike racks, no ski racks, no kayak racks, no up-size tires, no changes to the exhaust or intake systems, no high-powered stereo amplifiers.  All those things reduce fuel mileage and increase Global Warming.  I think they haven't thought yet about the reduction in taxes resulting from the loss of jobs.  Not only jobs at places the sell and install the modifications, but at the ski resorts (there are a dozen or so in Oregon), sporting goods stores (no-one will be able to carry, on their cars, a large portion of the products they sell), and even the beach and river-side resorts (who wants to stay at the beach or on the river if you can't get your kayak there?)  Oregon already has a budget deficit and (I believe) the highest unemployment rate in the country.

[Rebel]

I have a question, do we know you? I only ask because "TANSTAAFL" is something I've seen before. Since this is somewhat of a spin-off, It's cool to know what people were known elsewhere.

Welcome aboard though. 

[diesel driver]

I'm betting next January, the unemployment rate will be in double digits, and January 2011 unemployment will be above 20%.  Because of the bill the House Republicans and most (R) Senators fought against.

The Oregon legislature  had a bill introduced, from the (D) Governor's office , proposing to prohibit any after-market modifications to automobiles.  No bike racks, no ski racks, no kayak racks, no up-size tires, no changes to the exhaust or intake systems, no high-powered stereo amplifiers.  All those things reduce fuel mileage and increase Global Warming.  I think they haven't thought yet about the reduction in taxes resulting from the loss of jobs.  Not only jobs at places the sell and install the modifications, but at the ski resorts (there are a dozen or so in Oregon), sporting goods stores (no-one will be able to carry, on their cars, a large portion of the products they sell), and even the beach and river-side resorts (who wants to stay at the beach or on the river if you can't get your kayak there?)  Oregon already has a budget deficit and (I believe) the highest unemployment rate in the country.

These things are nothing new for evirowhackos or dims.  Neither can see the forest for the trees, but they don't care, they like trees.

I also know what TANSTAAFL means 

[DumbAss Tanker]

We need to recognize that the economy would turn around despite this bill (indeed that may already have happened), in which case to the extent this bill doesn't actually stifle the recovery in its cradle, it will appear to have worked when the next election cycle comes around.  The economists who predict this will result in large inflationary pressures are mostly talking about a little longer term, more like it will have a serious impact by the 2012 election cycle than the 2010.  There is really very little short-term risk for the Dems, especially those in the House, on this than we would like to think, given that the press is determined to call it a success right up until it flies into the side of a mountain.   

[Rebel]

I know what TANSTAAFL means, I've just seen it under someone else's username.

[lnthomp]

I have a question, do we know you? I only ask because "TANSTAAFL" is something I've seen before. Since this is somewhat of a spin-off, It's cool to know what people were known elsewhere.

Welcome aboard though. 

If you've seen my avatar cat or the name lnthomp elsewhere, that's me.  I came here from a link I saw in a post on NewsBusters.  I'm also a frequent forum participant at Irregular Webcomic! and I occasionally write at Epinions  I noticed someone else here is using TANSTAAFL in their tagline.  I don't use it regularly, but it seemed appropriate lately. 

TANSTAAFL is an acronym for the adage "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" originating in the 1940s and later popularized by science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein in his 1966 novel The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress, which discusses the problems caused by not considering the eventual outcome of an unbalanced economy.

[Carl]

We need to recognize that the economy would turn around despite this bill (indeed that may already have happened), in which case to the extent this bill doesn't actually stifle the recovery in its cradle, it will appear to have worked when the next election cycle comes around.  The economists who predict this will result in large inflationary pressures are mostly talking about a little longer term, more like it will have a serious impact by the 2012 election cycle than the 2010.  There is really very little short-term risk for the Dems, especially those in the House, on this than we would like to think, given that the press is determined to call it a success right up until it flies into the side of a mountain.   

Watch the reporting starting Wednesday,it will be upbeat and positive to try to sell that this thing is a success.

[diesel driver]

TANSTAAFL is an acronym for the adage "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch" originating in the 1940s and later popularized by science fiction writer Robert A. Heinlein in his 1966 novel "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress", which discusses the problems caused by not considering the eventual outcome of an unbalanced economy.

Yep, that's where I first seen it, when I read the book in middle school.

To give you some idea how long ago that was, the book had only been out about 5 years....

[lnthomp]

Yep, that's where I first seen it, when I read the book in middle school.

To give you some idea how long ago that was, the book had only been out about 5 years....

You aren't much older than me.  I started Junior High School (at the time 7, 8, 9 grade) in 1974, then only 2 years later my school system switched from elementary 1-6, junior high 7-9, high school 10-12 to elementary k-5, middle school 6-8, high school 9-12 the same year I was moving into 9th grade.  Not sure if I was cheated, it was an advantage, or it was all the same.  Any way you look at it, public schools have only gotten progressively worse since sometime before I ever started school.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

We should make TANSTAAFL the name of our reborn nation after the coming civil war; that way it's ingrained in people's minds that rehashed marxism has no place here.

"Welcome to Tanstaafl, the land of law taxes and a robust military. You help us by earning your keep and in return we help you keep what you earn."

[Airwolf]

DUmmies, this is your party's failure. The National Socialists have shot themselves in the foot with the porkobill, especially the health care part because people won't take kindly to a government run health system that will let the seniors and terminally ill people die. It will be like 1994 again.

I can't wait till the gays find out Uncle sam has cut their lifeline for Aids medication to see who they will run to to save them. Same with the senior citizens that don't have their military benefits to fall on when all the rest has dried up.

[Airwolf]

Any one care to lay a wager that if ObamaPlan fails they're going to find a way to blame everyone other than Obama and the dhimmicrats.

If it wasn't for those three traitors who shall remain nameless the Democrats would own this failure entirely, and wouldn't be able to say "blub blub blub The Republicans supported it"

A closed mouth gathers no feet DUmmie... You'd be wise to consider these words.

Well, lets just let the results of ObamaPork show who was right.

Interesting philosophy there. Could explain why democrats always get the shitty end of the stick in negotiations.

Two books. He must have had a lot of free time in between voting "present" and being a community activist.

How any leftard can continue to repeat the mantra that the right controls the media after the farcical performance of the media in the election run up, is completely beyond me.

You ****ing idiots on the left wanted this,not us. We did what we could to stop all the waste that Barry Big Ears said he was going to stop but was lying about anyway. You own this jelly donut now eat it beacuse we are paying for it.

[rich_t]

I know what TANSTAAFL means, I've just seen it under someone else's username.

Mine.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Mine.

His.