smearing primitive discombobulates the primitives

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5037690

Oh my.

ghurley  (64 posts)      Thu Feb-12-09 01:41 PM
Original message
 
Poll question: Should Nadya Suleman Pay Govt. Back?
 
If she comes into money from endorsements, book deals, etc.

Poll result (59 votes) 

Yes  (47 votes, 80%)
No  (12 votes, 20%)

Okay, never mind the other primitive bibble-babble, and we come to this:

schmear happens (42 posts)      Thu Feb-12-09 01:49 PM
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3. If Nadya was an inner city single mom with 6 kids by different fathers and was on welfare, I'll bet the majority of people on here would support her. Why? I mean, let's face it--if you support that behavior (even if the mom made the kids the "old-fashioned way"), you are basically saying that she is too stoopid to know better.

The truth is, there are people motivated by the $$$$ that multiple kids brings because somewhere inside they don't feel like they can do anything else BUT make kids and collect the meager dollars. They may also have the same emotional needs as Nadya. Why does Nadya get so much more scorn? Because she is a college graduate? Because her skin is too light?

(Interesting observation: when this story first broke, most DUers were sympathetic and accused naysayers of being prejudiced because Nadya's father is an Iraqi. They even said people were hating because her mom "spoke broken English," just assuming that she was also Middle Eastern. Well, as soon as it was learned that her mom was (it appears) American, then all bets were off! Why is that...?)

Marrah_G  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-12-09 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #3

9. That inner city mom you are talking about did not have SEVEN IVF procedures

NOR have they hired a ****ing publicist to milk the public of as much money as possible.

schmear happens (42 posts)      Thu Feb-12-09 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #9

11. Point made...but let's subtract that from the equation...

Not all single moms on welfare have multiple kids, obviously. But what about those who continue to procreate, 6, 7, 8 times, even though they have no resources, education, etc.? Do they get a pass and why? Because they just aren't "with it" enough to get that it's a dead end? And what about the sperm donors? Do they also get a pass? Is there any accountability whatsoever with someone who is in this position? Just asking...

Marrah_G  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-12-09 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #11
 
16. You cannot equate the two.

You really just can't equate sex that results in a pregnancy with paying to purposefully implant 6 or more embryos in your uterus while you have 6 kids under 7 some with disabilities at home.

You can play this game all you want but apples will never make orange juice.

schmear happens (42 posts)      Thu Feb-12-09 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #16
 
18. No, you are correct, it's not exactly the same. However...using my initial example, if a single mom has multiple births, are you implying that at some point it is not on purpose? Because then you would have to say that certain women are not intelligent (after the 4th or 5th child) to grasp that sex=pregnancy! Even the least-educated woman can figure that out long before...

KittyWampus  (1000+ posts)      Thu Feb-12-09 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #3
 
12. Inner city moms don't collect disability and then go for multiple IVF treatments and plastic surgery

schmear happens (42 posts)      Thu Feb-12-09 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #12
 
13. So that was the deal breaker for you? What about the first 6 kids?

I just think there are two standards here. Where does mental illness play into this?

skeewee08 (302 posts)        Thu Feb-12-09 01:53 PM
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4. Is there any information on the father?

I saw a picture of her other children and they look so adorable  they shouldn't have to suffer none of these kids should. How can 1 person care for 14 children at once? I will pray for the kids and her that she does what is best for the children. I don't know that taking them away from her is the right thing, seeing how her other children responded to her it was touching.

schmear happens (42 posts)      Thu Feb-12-09 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #4
 
6. Well said...I applaud your sensitivity...She may very well have issues but she is their mother. And those of us who are on the outside looking in need to quit bashing someone who is going through whatever she is going through...

ikojo (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-12-09 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #5
 
15. When a Medicaid recipient dies the government goes after the estate, whatever the size. My uncle was on IL Medicaid, they were the payor of last resort after his Medicare and his group health insurance. After he died, IL Medicaid sent a bill to my uncle's estate. My oldest brother got a crash course in interpreting insurance company explanation of benefit forms.

Oh yeah, they'll get what they paid out one way or the other.

Also, if Ms Suleman begins receiving a bunch of high profile donations she may be setting herself up for problems with the IRS as well. I would think the million she was allegedly paid by NBC would make her ineligible for Medicaid benefits. In MO one cannot have a car newer than 1996 or a house.

The warped primitive:

Warpy  (1000+ posts)        Thu Feb-12-09 01:56 PM
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7. Go after that clinic and fertility doctor because they're the ones who risked her life by violating the standard of care.

There's more, but that's all I'm up to bringing here.

[Carl]

Quite interesting to see someone trying to push the primitives into actually thinking through their positions and how much they run away from it.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Sex is sacred to DUmmies, no matter how many lives it destroys.

Interestlingly, before I814U was banned she was pilloried for talking openly about a romantic weekend with her boyfriend. One commenter groused that the BF was just interested in sex as if the girl had no free role in the issue.

[JohnnyReb]

One commenter groused that the BF was just interested in sex as if the girl had no free role in the issue.

That's liberal women for you....they willingly spread their legs but as soon as they get what they want they claim RAPE!

[USA4ME]

Quite interesting to see someone trying to push the primitives into actually thinking through their positions and how much they run away from it.

I've decided the only way to talk to DUmmies is within arms length.  That way, when they say stupid things like...

Marrah_G
 
You cannot equate the two.

.... you're there in person to slap them into reality and back on topic.

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[Toastedturningtidelegs]

I smell mole!