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stock market confuses primitives
« on: February 10, 2009, 01:36:47 PM »
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Stock market ridiculous today...DOW down over 4% to 7936...334 points down since this morning

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1. Ask yourself "why?"

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2. trying to make the govt do things their way. 

could they be more obvious?

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4. Geithner should have just nationalized the banks

I doubt the markets would have reacted any worse.

Wall Street is an ungrateful bunch who seem incapable of understanding that Obama and Geithner are refusing to nationalize the banks (which many top economists recommend) just to protect the banking sector investors from losing it all.

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5. I sometimes think that the rich Republican investors and investment brokers purposely manipulate the markets just so they can get those talking points in the media to discredit President Obama's economic plans.(just for the sake of Republicanism)Then too some of these investors could be buying short and still making money.

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Is Wallstreet conspiring against Obama?
 
I swear every time Obama speaks and explains what is necessary to fix this mess we are in, they go and lower the DOW.

Obama did a fine speech last night, explained very well what needs to be done. How does Wallstreet react? They lower the DOW by 350 points today! Its Bullshit with a capital B!

Is it payback over capping wallstreet salaries at 1/2 million?

Wtf is going on?

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1. Oh please..  :whatever:

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4. I don't mean this as a conspiracy nonsense post

I'm just trying to understand wtf is going on.

The market should be going up. I'm so tired of my retirement slipping away due to these thieving bastards.

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12. With all these dismal earning reports you still think the market should be going up? Just because Obama delivered a magnificent speech?

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2. I thought the Dow was tanking because of Geithner saying what he wants to do with the rest of the stimulus, but I dont know too much about Economics

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3. the very wealthy have been stalling the inevitable so they can STEAL all the money they can before it goes poof

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6. You've got to be kidding me.

Wall Street's only - I repeat, only - motivation is making money. They could give two shits about who's in charge. You know how we all complain when Wall Street jumps up after some big layoff is announced? That's because they are predicting that those layoffs will increase the profitablity of the company in the future, causing the stock price to jump, thereby increasing their (Wall Street's) profits.

Today they are making a huge, huge bet that the stimulus won't work. They may be right (I think they are) or they may be wrong, but to see an anti-Obama conspiracy in this is simply ridiculous.

OK, who's mole is the Pale Blue Dot primitive?


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7. no -- they are conspiring against anything that isn't corporate welfare

It doesn't matter WHO is coming up with solutions. They will argue AGAINST *anything* that doesn't give them cash with no accountability, and no ceiling caps.

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9. No it was idiot Geitner speaking today that moved the market

His "plan" wasn't a plan more like a collection of half thought out ideas with no specifics.

If you "tease" the street about a "plan" for a couple weeks and then pull a Geitner the market is going to tank.
Hell if I could have got an advance copy of Geitner's speech yesterday I would have sold everything and bought SPY 90 Feb Puts.

Based on the transcripts of his speech is was 100% guaranteed the market was going to tank.

Quick tip for Geitner:
1) If you don't have a plan then shut the f**** up.
2) Better to have people think you are a fool then open your mouth and remove all doubt.
3) A plan is more than a rambling collection of ideas without details.
4) For the love of God don't say "we are devising a system to price the assets" because that means "we have no friggin clue on how much this crap is worth and likely never will".

If you have nothing to say then say nothing.

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17. No, against America, just as they have been for our whole lives.
 
This sector produces nothing, yet sucks up 1/3 of the economy.

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26. They might have to actually hire people back

bad for profits

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Watch the Stock Market. It is beginning to move.

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1. up or down?, 

Isn't this week supposed to be all fire and brimstone in the stock market?

It must have gone up quite a bit yesterday...

Uh.......No, it didn't.  It finished down yesterday.

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2. Shyte!

The Dow is down 260.

The media blames Geithner.

No wonder they waited a day!

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6. They should be blaming Republicans who are trying their best to kill the bill in congress. Until they pass that bill I don't see any great movement "UP" for the tock market, and then It will still be up and down from day to day with no real "huge" gains for some time. Of course a gain of "any kind" will be a welcome sight.

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12. At this point, I don't think anything will help.

Obama's plan could make some difference, and I applaud him for what he's trying to do. He
didn't create this mess.

Unfortunately, the Republicans designed this house of cards to fall---and it's going to fall
no matter what anyone does. Rising unemployment, massive business closings, another horrendous
housing bubble is set to pop in 2009 as ARMS reset.

It's all going to hell, and I think it's all orchestrated to fall on Obama's watch. They could
have continued to prop up the house of cards but after they realized that Obama would win--they
decided that it would all fall.

Obama gets blamed. America is angry. The neocon scumbags have a chance at clawing back into
power in 2012.

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4. Yah. It's moved from -292 to -262 in 20 minutes.

Woo hoo. They can't contain their enthusiasm.

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5. ...and now down -272.

You'd almost think that they were predicting that this isn't going to work. I wonder why?

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8. Means as much as how they calculate gas prices

Day to day fluctuations mean nothing. We need a long-term trend line on the upswing.

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10. Agreed, but I thought we might get a pulse at least today.

Why?

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11. If it's moving down that means everything will be fine. 

Those parasites know nothing about finance except how to make shit look like gold on paper.

 :mental:

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13. I like that... "shit look like gold on paper."

Plus, if the DOW tanks 300 or so--tomorrow they'll spend the entire day telling
us what a GREAT buying opportunity this is, and what a fabulous silver lining this
all is!

Yeah, that's the ticket.  :whatever:

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14. You're wrong.

Not because they're not parasites (they are), but because they are in the business of predicting the future in order to make money. If they thought this was going to work, and increase the value of stocks in the future, they would be buying right now, at the instant that they know for sure this is going to pass. They're not buying.

The parasites are speaking volumes right now, whether we like what they're saying or not.

You're speaking volumes to your fellow primitives right now, and they aren't going to listen because it doesn't fit what they want to believe.

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24. Are people staying out or selling because the Stim Bill has to go to conference?

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25. No. It's because they think (or know) it won't work.

There's no reasonable doubt that it will get through conference.

Poor primitives.  The answer is as simple as understanding that B. Hussein can fool his followers and the MSM, but the business class and investor class in this country aren't going to fall for his lies.

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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2009, 01:43:46 PM »
Obama and the Dems know it won't work, thats why they wanted some GOP votes for cover.

Tell that to the DUers

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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2009, 01:57:06 PM »
If I thought, as the DUmmies do, that Republicans/capitalist could move the Dow (and/or the economy) up and down at will, for the purpose of political gain, I would seriously consider joining the VRWC on that point alone. If for no other reason than to suggest, hey, lets always go up!

 :whatever:

The DUmmies win any argument with me on this point. How can you win an argument with a goldfish? The ****er just gives you the evil eye and "moip moip moip's" you into submission.







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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2009, 02:00:23 PM »
hahahahahaha

They think Dow Jones is some DUDE!   :whatever:

Mr. Wall Street is to blame!   :whatever:

Gawd these folks are idiots.

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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2009, 03:29:13 PM »
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4. Geithner should have just nationalized the banks

I doubt the markets would have reacted any worse.

Wall Street is an ungrateful bunch who seem incapable of understanding that Obama and Geithner are refusing to nationalize the banks (which many top economists recommend) just to protect the banking sector investors from losing it all.

What f'n "top economists" have said we need to nationalize the banks? I like to be able to identify MORONS.
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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 04:13:41 PM »
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2. I thought the Dow was tanking because of Geithner saying what he wants to do with the rest of the stimulus, but I dont know too much about Economics


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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 05:12:05 PM »
Even gummint schooling can't make you that stupid.....must be in their DNA.
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2009, 05:18:44 PM »
These little mental ill goons think they are watching a soap opera on television.  Brick Mortar and Gustav Rainbowstein are lovers.  They have so many enemies.

Now, besides government, how many enemies do we really have? 

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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2009, 05:19:56 PM »
What f'n "top economists" have said we need to nationalize the banks? I like to be able to identify MORONS.

I'm pretty certain that when DUers say "top economists" they really mean "I'm making this up".
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2009, 05:23:57 PM »
Our own government has become our foe.

We, sitting in our cushy pleasant homes, have allowed our nation to be remade.  

I'm ready to kick some ass.

(I made fun of this inspiration on a earlier date)

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« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2009, 05:25:43 PM »
Our own government has become our foe.

We, sitting in our cushy pleasant homes, have allowed our nation to be remade.  

I'm ready to kick some ass.

(I made fun of this inspiration on a earlier date)

All I'm looking for is a valid target designation.
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« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2009, 05:27:16 PM »
Our own government has become our foe.

We, sitting in our cushy pleasant homes, have allowed our nation to be remade.  

I'm ready to kick some ass.

(I made fun of this inspiration on a earlier date)

You know, I've been wondering when we'll have a military coup....then we'd really be a leftist third world country......isn't that what some democrats want?
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2009, 05:38:22 PM »
You know, I've been wondering when we'll have a military coup....then we'd really be a leftist third world country......isn't that what some democrats want?

Not so much.  The idea is that revolution has to happen against normality is not so tight.   After all, we are dealing with the minions of satan himself.   They don't know they are, they are wicked souls, that's DemocratUndergrounder.com.

Lost souls looking for a home.  Satan's minions.  The brain dead.

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« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2009, 05:52:27 PM »
Not so much.  The idea is that revolution has to happen against normality is not so tight.   After all, we are dealing with the minions of satan himself.   They don't know they are, they are wicked souls, that's DemocratUndergrounder.com.

Lost souls looking for a home.  Satan's minions.  The brain dead.

My dear lord, those "lost souls" do have a home.  It was provided by God The Father.

We Christians call it "Hell."
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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2009, 05:58:36 PM »
Pale Blue Dot is messing with the dummies feeble minds. Too funny.

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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2009, 06:04:53 PM »
My dear lord, those "lost souls" do have a home.  It was provided by God The Father.

We Christians call it "Hell."

Others call it "Detroit."
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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2009, 06:43:52 PM »
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

"All you have to do is look straight and see the road, and when you see it, don't sit looking at it - walk!" -Ayn Rand
 
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Re: stock market confuses primitives
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2009, 07:38:24 PM »
lol

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« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 01:24:47 PM »
My favorite moronic quote:

"I swear every time Obama speaks and explains what is necessary to fix this mess we are in, they go and lower the DOW.
Obama did a fine speech last night, explained very well what needs to be done. How does Wallstreet react? They lower the DOW by 350 points today! Its Bullshit with a capital B!"
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Who is this mysterious "they?"  You're right, they think the Dow is some dude! 
Pale Blue Dot and Statistical have to be ripping their heads off in this forum.  They can't take much more.  They patiently explain the reality of the situation, and what response do they get? 

"no....blah blah blah"

It's too bad, they'll probably leave, and the Duhs could learn so much if they would only read carefully.   



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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2009, 03:17:01 PM »
Yep, I call DOW JONES INDUS every morning and tell him what to do that day.
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"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."  Stalin

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2009, 04:41:18 PM »
Yep, I Teh Rove tells me to call DOW JONES INDUS every morning and tell him what to do that day.

Fixed.  :II:
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