Lethal Force

[The Night Owl]

So, I'm wondering if people here feel that the use of lethal force to protect property is justifiable. In other words...

If you catch someone stealing from you, should you be allowed to use lethal force against that person even if the person does not pose a physical threat?

[Rebel]

Action......Reaction. Someone comes onto my property and tries to steal my car, that I use to get back and forth to work with, which allows me to put food on my table and provide for my family, sumbitch should be shot.

[Chris_]

If private property is not protected our system collapses.

If people knew they would pay for theft with their lives they would tend to steal a LOT less.

[The Night Owl]

Action......Reaction. Someone comes onto my property and tries to steal my car, that I use to get back and forth to work with, which allows me to put food on my table and provide for my family, sumbitch should be shot.

Imagine the following scenario...

A father is driving his wife and kids to a movie and is worried that they may not get to the theatre in time. The father notices that his car is low on gas, so he pulls into the next gas station he sees and proceeds to fill up the car. In his hurry, the father forgets to pay for the gas and gets in the car, starts it up, and begins to pull out. Would the gas station owner/attendant be justified in shooting at the car at it leaves the gas station?

[Rebel]

Imagine the following scenario...

A father is driving his wife and kids to a movie and is worried that they may not get to the theatre in time. The father notices that his car is low on gas, so he pulls into the next gas station he sees and proceeds to fill up the car. In his hurry, the father forgets to pay for the gas and gets in the car, starts it up, and begins to pull out. Would the gas station owner/attendant be justified in shooting at the car at it leaves the gas station?

Why don't you repose your ****ing question to include workers working at a business then? You clearly tried to deceive everyone with this bullshit.

[The Night Owl]

Why don't you repose your ******* question to include workers working at a business then? You clearly tried to deceive everyone with this bullshit.

If you do not feel that the use of lethal force to protect property is justifiable in all cases, then why did you vote that it is?

[Crazy Horse]

Action......Reaction. Someone comes onto my property and tries to steal my car, that I use to get back and forth to work with, which allows me to put food on my table and provide for my family, sumbitch should be shot.

Imagine the following scenario...

A father is driving his wife and kids to a movie and is worried that they may not get to the theatre in time. The father notices that his car is low on gas, so he pulls into the next gas station he sees and proceeds to fill up the car. In his hurry, the father forgets to pay for the gas and gets in the car, starts it up, and begins to pull out. Would the gas station owner/attendant be justified in shooting at the car at it leaves the gas station?

That is not what you ****ing asked. are you just gonna mince the words property now?? You clearly asked if someone was stealing property from YOU.

Why not be honest is this shit and quit being such a liberal dumbass

[Crazy Horse]

So, I'm wondering if people here feel that the use of lethal force to protect property is justifiable. In other words...

If you catch someone stealing from you, should you be allowed to use lethal force against that person even if the person does not pose a physical threat?

You didn't ask for all cases you said simply stealing from "YOU"

[Rebel]

This is a dishonest ****ing poll. Why am I not surprised by who posted it? 

[The Night Owl]

That is not what you ******* asked. are you just gonna mince the words property now?? You clearly asked if someone was stealing property from YOU.

For the sake of argument, pretend that you are the gas station owner in the scenario I described. If someone who pumped gas pulls away without paying for it, would you be justified in shooting at the person?

[Chris_]

Action......Reaction. Someone comes onto my property and tries to steal my car, that I use to get back and forth to work with, which allows me to put food on my table and provide for my family, sumbitch should be shot.

Imagine the following scenario...

A father is driving his wife and kids to a movie and is worried that they may not get to the theatre in time. The father notices that his car is low on gas, so he pulls into the next gas station he sees and proceeds to fill up the car. In his hurry, the father forgets to pay for the gas and gets in the car, starts it up, and begins to pull out. Would the gas station owner/attendant be justified in shooting at the car at it leaves the gas station?

It all depends.  Would that man be you?  If so, I say fire away, ya thief.

[Odin's Hand]

This is a dishonest ****ing poll. Why am I not surprised by who posted it? 

I just figured he is casing some of the other CC member's property.

[asdf2231]

Certain Circumstances.

My Yard and my Car, welcome to it, I got insurance.

Inside my house and you better have your ****ing affairs in order.

[Splashdown]

Invalid poll.

No Jooooooooooooooos option.

[The Night Owl]

Certain Circumstances.

My Yard and my Car, welcome to it, I got insurance.

Inside my house and you better have your ******* affairs in order.

Thank you for the serious response.

[Chris_]

Certain Circumstances.

My Yard and my Car, welcome to it, I got insurance.

Inside my house and you better have your ******* affairs in order.

Thank you for the serious response.

Build a straw man, don't be surprised when someone lights it on fire.

[The Night Owl]

This is a dishonest ******* poll. Why am I not surprised by who posted it? 

The poll is not dishonest. If you voted that the use of lethal force to protect property is always justifiable then you basically argued that the use of lethal force to protect property is justifiable in all circumstance regardless of who is involved. And, by the way, you can change your vote if you feel that you misunderstood the question.

[The Night Owl]

Build a straw man, don't be surprised when someone lights it on fire.

Um... A straw man argument is one which is designed to be knocked down or set ablaze.

[Chris_]

This is a dishonest ******* poll. Why am I not surprised by who posted it? 

The poll is not dishonest. If you voted that the use of lethal force to protect property is always justifiable then you believe that the use of lethal force to protect property is justifiable in all circumstance regardless of who is involved.

It is always justifiable.  Just not always appropriate.

[The Night Owl]

It is always justifiable.  Just not always appropriate.

What are you? A politician?

[overlord]

Certain Circumstances.

My Yard and my Car, welcome to it, I got insurance.

Inside my house and you better have your ******* affairs in order.

I'm with asdf here.  Though if I saw you in my yard I would confront you, I doubt I would use force; prolly just try to intimidate you into standing down quietly.  If you are in my home I am going to assume you are there to do me bodily harm and will hence splatter your grey matter all over my walls

Have a nice day

[Rebel]

Since when do I have to assume the intentions of a ****ing criminal or what he's packing? Here's another question.

TNO, your grandmother is walking down the street. Some ****ing thug walks up and tries to grab her purse, which includes her SS money, her prescription medicine which she may have to take in an hour, all of her identification and credit cards, etc., is she justifiable in dropping the piece of shit right there? She's a frail lady, he's a thug. So, what say you? Should she just let the mofo take it? Or drop his ass so he doesn't prey on another victim?

THAT is the question you tried to pose. Not one about some damn store owner and a dude driving away from a gas station unintentionally. The fact of the matter is, a thief puts their victim out. Meals can be missed. Work can be missed. Valuable items can be lost. THAT is the consequence, so yes, drop the mother****er where he stands. Will it deter crime? For him it will.

[SilverOrchid]

If anyone ever tried to break into my home, they will feel my wrath.

[The Night Owl]

TNO, your grandmother is walking down the street. Some ******* thug walks up and tries to grab her purse, which includes her SS money, her prescription medicine which she may have to take in an hour, all of her identification and credit cards, etc., is she justifiable in dropping the piece of shit right there? She's a frail lady, he's a thug. So, what say you? Should she just let the mofo take it? Or drop his ass so he doesn't prey on another victim?

I believe that using lethal force to protect property is justifiable only in certain circumstances... rare circumstances. For instance, I would be in favor of someone using lethal force against a carjacker but only because the intentions carjackers are often difficult to predict. I would not, however, be in favor of someone using lethal force against someone attempting to steal an unoccupied car.

THAT is the question you tried to pose. Not one about some damn store owner and a dude driving away from a gas station unintentionally.

The problem with believing that the use of lethal force to protect property is always justified is perfectly demonstrated by the scenario I described. In the scenario I described, the person who believes that the use of lethal force to protect property is always justified does not find out that the theft was unintentional until after the bullets have flown.

[Rebel]

The problem with believing that the use of lethal force to protect property is always justified is perfectly demonstrated by the scenario I described. In the scenario I described, the person who believes that the use of lethal force to protect property is always justified does not find out that the theft was unintentional until after the bullets have flown.

Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta, has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. The mayor made it a law that all residents must own a firearm. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Killing some shitbag might not prevent crime, but it will prevent HIS ass from  committing any future crimes. Not to mention, criminals almost ALWAYS go for the easy target. ..that not being gun owners.

Now, I answered YOUR question, ****ing answer mine.