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How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« on: February 08, 2009, 04:53:43 PM »
Something I've noticed about the DU is that the people there who would claim to be atheists, are just anti-theists, or even purely anti-Christian. They're only too happy to ignore reality in order to put some hate on Christians.

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JFN1  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 04:44 PM
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How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?

With our politicians always ready to offer obeisance to religion, always ready to interject religion into government, always ready to publicly proclaim their religious belief, I have been forced to wonder...

In what way has religion benefited the US in the last 10 years? 20 years? 200 years?

We formed our nation with slavery the law of the land.

A few decades later, we fought a civil war over it, and killed more Americans than all of the wars we've been in since, combined.

Poverty, ignorance, squalor. These things are not exclusive to third world countries - the US has plenty of all of these.

Invade a country without cause and kill 95,000+ of the civilian population...yet no one is in jail for this...

Torture, violate our own Constitution and laws, disregard international treaties and laws...

Is this really what a "Christian" nation is supposed to look like?

If not, then how can Americans claim to be a Christian nation?

And if we cannot claim to be a Christian nation, then how can we continue to allow the interjection of religion into our government?

How can it make any sense at all to fight over religious things like stem cell research, evolution, etc., when we, as a nation, refuse to follow even the basic edicts of our supposed "national" religion? How many rich Christians have given up their wealth in order to get into heaven? Can anyone name even one?

And if any of what I suspect is true, and we just call ourselves a Christian nation in order to justify our own beliefs and shore up our own personal doubts, while at the same time refusing to invest in those very Christian things like eliminating poverty (yeah, we've totally got the cash as a nation to do it), then isn't it possible that this most basic of hypocrisies lies at the very root of the sickness eating away at our nation like a cancer?

Can anyone name one way that being a "Christian" nation has enhanced America? American lives? The world? Anyone?

Maybe it is time to disconnect religion completely from government, for I fail to see any way combining the two has helped anyone in this country...

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lynnertic  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sun Feb-08-09 04:47 PM
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1. Hm.... interrogation methods?
   
Sorry to be flippant but I thought to try to cheer you up.

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Taverner  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sun Feb-08-09 04:51 PM
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4. Pretty Buildings
   
But every time Religion was on the right side of history, they took their cue from humanism, not the Bible

Oh, I get it. When religion does things you approve of, you call it "humanisim". Whatever the hell that is.

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JFN1  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sun Feb-08-09 04:53 PM
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5. I'm sorry, but I've just had my fill
   
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 04:57 PM by JFN1
of hypocrisy coming our of our government. I'm sick over TARP, the stimulus, the wars, the rape and utter violation of our Constitution (with no repercussions for ANYONE, apparently) and the self-righteous posturing of Republicans who appear to be posturing simply because they don't know what else to do, as agreeing in any way with Democrats is anathema.

I'm just sick of it, dammit, and I'm tired of feeling powerless about it.

I'm tired of these "Christian" politicians doing stuff that would make the devil blush, let alone being "Christ-like."

And if we're not going to act "Christ-like" then I really, really want politicians to stop shoving Christ down my damn throat...I am NOT a Christian, and I'll put my morality up against their morality, any day of the week.

Well, damn. You should back your bundle and head to a nice place where there's less religion. Like say China or North Korea. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way outta the room.

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WHEN CRABS ROAR  (1000+ posts) Sun Feb-08-09 04:56 PM
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7. Sadly most, but not all Christians are Christians for about one hour
   
on Sunday morning.

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ixion  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sun Feb-08-09 04:59 PM
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9. Religion hasn't enhanced America as much as it has ruined it...
   
really, I think we'd be far better off without it, IMO.

So what you're saying is to ban all religion because it doesn't fit with your personal beliefs. What kind of society does that I wonder.

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BlooInBloo  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sun Feb-08-09 05:00 PM
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10. Religion only enhances stupidity and death...
   
It's been 1000s of years since religion served any genuinely useful purpose for mankind.

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keith the dem  Donating Member  (389 posts)  Sun Feb-08-09 05:10 PM
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15. The term "Christian" has been high-jacked by people
   
who are anything but.

Most progressive social reform in our country has been started in the churches and the meeting houses. The abolitionist movement, the Amistad Case, the civil rights movement, even the push for a social safety net was started, in of all places,t early 20th century fundamentalist churches (how far they've strayed).

The right wing christians of today are a legacy of the same ideas that used the bible to justify slavery.

The ignorance is mind blowing.

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26. You are again stereo typing people and making unjustifiable generalizations...
   
How can you possibly know what these people are saying if you aren't listening to them in the first place?

You're assumption that Pat Robertson and the 700 Club represent Christianity is no more valid than a right winger's assumption that all Democrats are tree hugging atheist communists is valid.

:crazy:

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Must take a bit of courage to speak about Christianity in a positive light over on DU.

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17. Christian means Stupid or Dishonest to me.

Funny, if I think of stupid of dishonest the inspiration has usually come from looking at the DU.

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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2009, 05:03:58 PM »
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JFN1  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sun Feb-08-09 04:53 PM
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5. I'm sorry, but I've just had my fill
   
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 04:57 PM by JFN1
of hypocrisy coming our of our government. I'm sick over TARP, the stimulus, the wars, the rape and utter violation of our Constitution (with no repercussions for ANYONE, apparently) and the self-righteous posturing of Republicans who appear to be posturing simply because they don't know what else to do, as agreeing in any way with Democrats is anathema.

Exactly what parts of our Constitution were raped and or violated ?

If you are lurking DUmmie, I would   
like to know.  :whatever:

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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2009, 05:05:38 PM »
These people are obviously the prima fascia case that atheism alleviates one from all hatred, bigotry and prejudices.

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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2009, 05:16:17 PM »
If they want to get rid of religion, I think everything that was started by religious organizations should go away to. I'm thinking hospitals, food banks, charity thrift stores, etc...

Maybe then the impact might be better understood.

Although I suppose it wouldn't make much of a difference. They would just wait for the government to provide all of those services.
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2009, 05:52:42 PM »
Exactly what parts of our Constitution were raped and or violated ?

If you are lurking DUmmie, I would   
like to know.  :whatever:

When I ask that question in person, I usually get a stammering "illegal war" -- obvious answer, "approved by Congress and no more illegal that clinton's Somalia and Kosovo."

That then gets followed up by "uh, illegal wiretaps" -- obvious answer "aggressive interpretation of FISA is not against the USC.  Name one intra-USA illegal wiretap."

Next up: "Uhhhh, torture" -- obvious answer "1) The USC is silent on treatment of non-USA citizens and 2) Waterboarding isn't torture, followed by 3) nice to see you want to coddle those who killed 3,000 cinnocent citizens an want to rape your Mom, wife and sister and behead you slowly"

It is like swatting flies with a 3 foot square flyswatter. Too easy.
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 05:55:10 PM »
If they want to get rid of religion, I think everything that was started by religious organizations should go away to. I'm thinking hospitals, food banks, charity thrift stores, etc...

Maybe then the impact might be better understood.

Although I suppose it wouldn't make much of a difference. They would just wait for the government to provide all of those services.

The idea of the individual being responsible for his/her own actions and being of ultimate dignity is straight from Judaic and Christian teachings.  In the total atheistic Universe, Man has no dignity and is deserving of nothing but what he can get take by brute force.

In an atheistic world, there IS no English common law, there is no USA, there is no USC, no BOR, none of it.  Just savage tribes looking to take each other out.
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2009, 05:59:17 PM »
In regards to our country,that being the US of A religion and/or faith based organizations developed and instituted the first schools,universities,hospitals,fire departments,police forces.You could say that Religious/faith based organizations are the bedrock of our society and without them out society would cease to exist just like others throughout history that foresake religion.
It is said that branches draw their life from the vine. Each is separate yet all are one as they share one life giving stem . The Bible tells us we are called to a similar union in life, our lives with the life of God. We are incorporated into him; made sharers in his life. Apart from this union we can do nothing.

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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2009, 06:08:23 PM »
If ignorance and hate were energy sources we would be free from our dependence with only 1000 DUchebags.
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2009, 06:12:26 PM »
If ignorance and hate were energy sources we would be free from our dependence with only 1000 DUchebags.

and Air America would be a success...
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2009, 06:21:18 PM »
and Air America would be a success...

Lets not get silly.  He said 'energy source'.  Not 'reliable information source'.
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2009, 06:49:58 PM »
Oh, another "let me show DU I'm all intellectual and nuanced and hip and all by bashing Christianity so everyone will think I'm super smart and agree and pat me on the back" threads. How quaint and predictable. I don't necessarily have a problem with evolution it's just that any theory that says DUmmies descended from apes instead of the other way around needs a little work.

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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 06:58:42 PM »
any theory that says DUmmies descended from apes instead of the other way around needs a little work.

Ha ha ha ha ha...  :lmao:
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2009, 08:24:01 PM »
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We formed our nation with slavery the law of the land.
And Christians were the ones who fought the practice, in the US and England.  They ended the slave trade and eventually slavery altogether...something that cannot be said of non-Christian countries.

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A few decades later, we fought a civil war over it, and killed more Americans than all of the wars we've been in since, combined.

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000

Total Abortions since 1973 = 49,551,703

Now, exactly what has killed more Americans?

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Poverty, ignorance, squalor. These things are not exclusive to third world countries - the US has plenty of all of these.

In Who Really Cares, he identifies the forces behind American charity: strong families, church attendance, earning one's own income (as opposed to receiving welfare), and the belief that individuals-not government-offer the best solution to social ills

Christians do more to reduce poverty, ignorance and squalor worldwide, and in the US, than any other group.

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Invade a country without cause and kill 95,000+ of the civilian population...yet no one is in jail for this...
Torture, violate our own Constitution and laws, disregard international treaties and laws...

Yeah, thanks to the BOR, the US tries real hard not to put people in jail based on whacko lies.   :yawn:

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Is this really what a "Christian" nation is supposed to look like?

If not, then how can Americans claim to be a Christian nation?

Thanks to your socialist buddies, the horrendous practices you support, and the destroyed educational system your party controls, we look less and less like a Christian nation every year.

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And if we cannot claim to be a Christian nation, then how can we continue to allow the interjection of religion into our government?
  Um, I do believe the First Amendment covers this.  Maybe you should read it someday.

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How can it make any sense at all to fight over religious things like stem cell research, evolution, etc., when we, as a nation, refuse to follow even the basic edicts of our supposed "national" religion?
I fully agree.  We, as a nation, need desperately to get back to our national religion.

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How many rich Christians have given up their wealth in order to get into heaven? Can anyone name even one?

In Who Really Cares, he identifies the forces behind American charity: strong families, church attendance, earning one's own income (as opposed to receiving welfare), and the belief that individuals-not government-offer the best solution to social ills

Probably not, because Christians tend to remain less rich than many of their peers...and happily so.

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And if any of what I suspect is true, and we just call ourselves a Christian nation in order to justify our own beliefs and shore up our own personal doubts, while at the same time refusing to invest in those very Christian things like eliminating poverty

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For example, nearly 13% of Americans have incomes that place them below the official poverty line. But what does that mean in terms of their daily lives? The fact that 95% of them may have a refrigerator tells only part of the story.

The Census report also compares, from 1992 through 1998, people's perceptions of whether basic needs were being met. More than 92% of Americans below the poverty line said they had enough food, as of 1998. Some 86% said they had no unmet need for a doctor, 89% had no roof leaks, and 87% said they had no unpaid rent or mortgage.

More computers than dishwashers
While some improvement was found in all those measures over that period, shortfalls obviously remain. But in many goods, the progress is significant for poor and rich alike.

Two-thirds of those in poverty had air conditioners in 1998, up from 50% in 1992.

PovertyNowComesWithAColorTV

The fact is that we've really wiped out the kind of poverty that is seen, for example, in Mexico, where families live in tin shacks in garbage dumps.  Our church does mission trips to Mexico...we build houses for people.  Last year, it was a single mother with 3 kids.  We built her a house with a cement floor and a leak-proof roof.  It was the first time in her life she'd lived in a house without a dirt floor and leaking roof.

The fact is, JFN1, you're entire post shows a complete lack of any knowledge beyond your last bong hit.  Join a church and go on a few mission trips.  They won't charge you very much, just enough to cover travel and food...and you'll actually DO something with your hot air.



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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2009, 09:21:36 PM »
Explaining anything of a religious nature to the denizens of the DUmp is like explaining the theory of quantum mechanics to a cat.
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2009, 09:23:32 PM »
Explaining anything of a religious nature to the denizens of the DUmp is like explaining the theory of quantum mechanics to a cat.

What an insult to cats.
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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2009, 09:36:45 PM »
What an insult to cats.


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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2009, 09:40:59 PM »
'Yeah your right. Cats deserve better.

My cat DID understand Quantum Physics, but was too aloof to share it.  Her servant's race does not need to know such things ;)

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Re: How exactly has religion "enhanced" America?
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2009, 04:08:31 AM »
My cat DID understand Quantum Physics, but was too aloof to share it.  Her servant's race does not need to know such things ;)



Same here.  Oreo would run her chapter of feline Mensa.
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