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Offline rich_t

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Re: Never speak to the Police
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 10:58:21 PM »
I for one will refuse to answer under my 5th Amendment rights.

I found those videos to be very thought provoking.
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Re: Never speak to the Police
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2009, 09:29:42 AM »
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Note an important issue addressed early in the video: There are now so many laws on the books that even the government can't tell you the number. The chance that you unknowingly broke a law or two is very high -- as is the likelihood that you just may confess to a crime that you never knew existed.

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Re: Never speak to the Police
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2009, 09:35:10 AM »
I for one will refuse to answer under my 5th Amendment rights.

I found those videos to be very thought provoking.

That is exactly the right thing to do.  Don't worry about pissing off the cop, he wasn't going to cut you a break anyway.  Just watch COPS every now and then -- you have no 4th Amendment rights and they suggest that if you don't cooperate with them, there will be dire consequences.

I am pro-police but the tactics they use skate the line of Constitutionality.
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Re: Never speak to the Police
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2009, 09:59:17 AM »
That is exactly the right thing to do.  Don't worry about pissing off the cop, he wasn't going to cut you a break anyway.  Just watch COPS every now and then -- you have no 4th Amendment rights and they suggest that if you don't cooperate with them, there will be dire consequences.

I am pro-police but the tactics they use skate the line of Constitutionality.
I'm pro-police as well but here is a question that has been on my mind. Perhaps a LEO member can help.

Suppose a person is stopped and the officer asks to look in the vehicle. The citizen denies the request. He isn't hiding anything he is simply denying the officer permission. From that point on the officer--as the theory goes--cannot inspect the vehicle interior without probable cause.

Absent the smell of marijuana or anything plainly visible through the windows or other such motivators the officer sees nothing amiss.

Still, because he may think the citizen is hiding something or maybe because he's simply irked the officer requests a K-9 unit join him at the location. The unit arrives but the dog does not trigger. Again, probable cause has not been substantiated and the driver continues to refuse a search of the vehicle.

But now the police have a vested interest in finding something. It essentially comes down to: who will decide the amount of time spent on this stop has reached its reasonable limit?

If the police want to stall this guy in the hopes he will consent to a search just to be allowed to leave are they constrained by statute or precedent or can they hold him indefinitely? If they find nothing but are responsible for him suffering some economic loss, i.e. a job as he was late for work or the loss of a sales contract or spoiled goods, are they liable for economic damages?

Normally, I'd say economic damages are the cost of "doing business" but a citizen who will never be charged with a crime should not unduly suffer loss of time or money, i.e. if the cops read the wrong address and busted down my door I damned well want my door replaced on their dime, not mine.
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Re: Never speak to the Police
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2009, 01:26:44 PM »
Excellent questions SB.  I've often wondered about that same situation.
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