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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 03:30 PMOriginal message 15 year old driver and 11 & 9 year old passengers die in police pursuit crash http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fontana-crash30... In the Fontana crash, a car driven by a 15-year-old crashed through a brick wall, went airborne and hit a home's roof before landing. The driver and two other boys, 11 and 9, died.By Corina Knoll, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer 10:01 AM PST, January 29, 2009 The 15-year-old driver of a car that crashed into a Fontana home may have been the brother of a 9-year-old passenger in the back seat, authorities said today.The two boys and an 11-year-old front-seat passenger, who was the driver's friend, died in the Wednesday night accident. All three boys were residents of Fontana, said Officer Joe Ramos of the California Highway Parol.Fontana Police Department officials Luis Tejeda , left, and Efrain Gonzalez put up caution tape around a home damaged when it was rammed by a car driven by a 15-year-old boy. Officials said the driver was fleeing a California Highway Patrol officer at more than 90 mph when the boy lost control and crashed into the house, killing himself and two passengers, ages 9 and 11.
tekisui (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 03:35 PMResponse to Original message 1. 90mph police chases. I have a problem with these. The police endanger the public in these chases.A friend on mine's father died when police chased a driver into wrong way traffic.
trotsky (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:02 PMResponse to Reply #1 7. I don't pretend to have a clue about a solution. But if the policy becomes "Police end a chase if it exceeds X mph or if it becomes dangerous" then wouldn't most criminals just go X mph or engage in dangerous driving in hopes of losing the police?Honestly I don't think there IS a solution that doesn't involve risk to innocents, and that's sad.
tekisui (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:08 PMResponse to Reply #7 9. I don't have the answer either. But, several cars driving 90mph on public streets increases the risk over one car speeding
FarceOfNature (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:19 PMResponse to Reply #9 15. Just follow in a helicopter until the gas runs out? I think way too many cops get hardons over this kind of shit. A stolen car is just a thing and not worth ANYONE'S LIFE.
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:49 PMResponse to Reply #15 35. How do police know that it's just a matter of a stolen car? How are they supposed to know that the person isn't fleeing because they are wanted for murder, or because they just robbed a convenience store, or because they have a kidnapped kid in the trunk? It's easy to say after the fact that its not worth it for police to chase someone fleeing in a car, but it's another matter altogether to come up with an alternative policy.
FarceOfNature (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:59 PMResponse to Reply #35 39. So cops should just assume every car they chase is full of Baby Jesus killing monsters? If they get a call for a shooter fleeing, OK by all means chase away. But to assume that everyone who flees is guilty of something that is worth putting innocent lives in danger is ****ing stupid.
RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:26 PMResponse to Reply #7 22. Cruisers have cameras. Get a pic of the car and its tags, and track it down later. The cop saw them, and very few 15 yr olds look like adults, and no 11 and 9 year olds do. He knew they were children. He could have called it in, and left it to later. A kid running a red light is not worth a 90mph chase.
Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:51 PMResponse to Reply #22 36. And how does that work if someone is driving a stolen car? n/t
itsrobert (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 03:38 PMResponse to Original message 2. Where were the parents? How is this kid driving a car at 15? Why are we blaming the police when clearly the legal guardian/parent is at fault here?
Cid_B (281 posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:11 PMResponse to Reply #3 10. I blame the children for engaging in such an act... Christ.. it's always someone else's fault.
dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:01 PMResponse to Reply #4 6. "Why do so many people want to blame the parents for the actions of their kids?" because minor children ARE the responsibility of the parents, THAT'S why.did i ever sneak out of the house? yes.did i ever steal a car? NO.somewhere along the line, the parents dropped the ball, BIG TIME.
Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-29-09 04:11 PMResponse to Reply #6 11. Somewhere along the line, you took a giant leap of logic.. n/t
The driver had been pulled over at 8:55 p.m. on Sierra Avenue near the 210 Freeway for running a red light, according to a CHP statement."The officer walked up to the car, and the driver's vehicle sped away," said CHP Officer Steven Cuevas. "A pursuit was initiated. It was under two minutes, then the driver lost control."
3. You are dumber than a box of liberals
1. Don't steal cars2. Don't try to outrun cops3. You are dumber than a box of liberals
