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this threadjenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-25-09 05:06 PM
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A few reminders for those upset about Obama striking within Pakistan
Edited on Sun Jan-25-09 05:06 PM by jenmito
Wed Aug 1, 2007ー"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," Obama said.  Link
Tue, 22 Jul 2008ー"... what I've said is that if we had actionable intelligence against high-value al-Qaeda targets and the Pakistani government was unwilling to go after those targets, then we should," the Democrat, who aspires to be the first black-American president, noted.   Link
WASHINGTON, Sept 27ー“If the United States has Al Qaeda, (Osama) bin Laden, top-level lieutenants in our sights, and Pakistan is unwilling or unable to act, then we should take them out,†said Senator Obama.  Link
October 7, 2008ー“If We Have Actionable Intelligence About High-Value Terrorist Targets And President Musharraf Won’t Act, We Will.â€ã€€ Link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8140226
So fine. Obama did what he said he was going to do, which is the exact same thing as Bush was doing.
polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-25-09 05:08 PM
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1. I hope the actionable intelligence was about Osama. Now that his buddy GW is gone...
...it's time we try to get him.
jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-25-09 05:27 PM
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5. So do I. At least we know Obama won't be starting wars under false pretenses. n/t
Of course not. This time you'll refrain from obfuscation about the pretenses supplied.
MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-25-09 05:28 PM
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6. What do you do when your enemy uses civilians as human shields as a way of warfare?
Let them "get away with it?" Not take any action, and allow your enemy to continue to wreak havoc?
Hostage taking and use of human shields is classic warfare in the Arab and Southwest Asian world. It's not considered evil in any way--it's just the way they "up the ante" and play a game of chicken.
They don't play by our rules. They never will. They aren't signatories to Geneva. They have no nation and no uniform. The most we can do is try to limit civilian casualties, but the nature of their "style" of warfare makes it impossible to prevent them entirely.
These are people who hide in schools and hospitals, and who fire their weaponry from these very sites, so that when a retaliatory strike is made, they can whine and act the wide-eyed innocent, and people who don't get how they play it will paint the retaliators as the bad guys They don't give a shiny shit if "innocent civilians" die--their attitude is that this world, in the grand scheme, sucks, and "Heaven is Better" anyway. They won't be content until we bend to their will. Appeasement is not an option, because they will not be appeased until they rule and we are crushed--and that is a BIG "we" I'm talking about, too--not just Evil Amrika, but Evil Canada, Evil Europe, Evil Australia, and all of Evil South America, too.
The President's actions probably saved a ton of Afghan and American lives downstream, but that aspect is underappreciated because the people he was going after chose to hide behind innocent victims, as they always do. The blood of those victims is on the hands of the people who knowingly and deliberately used them as shields and put them in harm's way. Hopefully, they're dead too--they can have a nice knock-down and drag out fight at the Pearly Gates, and then they can take the elevator down....
Okay. Seriously. Where the hell have you been this last 8 years ? Hiding under a rock ?
.. Or more likely you've been saying the exact opposite thing for the last years.
This is something that really irks me.
How can a person not support something under one administration, that , only weeks later , they're cheering on under a different administration. Saying things that only weeks ago would have been accompanied by the sound of a million alert messages flying into moderators email everywhere.
I don't get it.