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Offline LC EFA

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Why are they afraid?
« on: January 23, 2009, 07:17:50 PM »
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skepticscott  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-22-09 10:21 PM
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Why are they afraid?
   
To all of the Republicans bemoaning the closing of Guantanamo, the ending of illegal renditions and the repudiation of torture by the Obama administration, to all of the devotees of Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John Yoo and Jack Bauer, to all those who feel emasculated by this country finally committing to abide by the laws of the civilized world, I have just one question:

Why are you afraid?

Let’s even assume for a moment that ending the type of horrific abuses and tortures perpetrated by this country at Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and elsewhere will actually make our friends less willing to aid us in the fight against Islamic extremism and make our enemies more inclined to attack us. Let’s assume that torture is only used on people with vital information and that it actually works as a means of obtaining that information. Let’s assume that all of this will actually change your risk of dying in a terrorist attack this year from 1 in 100,000 to 1 in 10,000. The question still stands: Why are you afraid?

Brave soldiers have walked into grave danger and near-certain death countless times to preserve what this country stands for. Why do you tremble at the thought of doing far less? Why do you sit in your nice, safe living room and cower in fear as Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh tell you to be afraid for your life? Why do you wish to whimper and snivel at the feet of another Republican president, promising him that you’ll do anything, support any action, ignore any wrongdoing, if he’ll only keep you safe for one more day?

Those of us who hated what this country became under George Bush, those of us whom you castigated as cowards and traitors at every turn, those of us who applaud this country’s renewed devotion to honor, decency and the rule of law…we are not afraid. We are not afraid to risk our lives to preserve what we love about this country, to preserve what makes it great and noble. We will risk much more than the queasy stomach you get every time you see a Middle-Eastern male board the same plane as you to never again be ashamed of what is done in the name of America. Unlike you, we will face our enemies and tell them that they can inspire no fear that will cause us to betray our principles, and that we will never wreak the destruction on ourselves and our way of life from within that they cannot hope to bring upon on us from without.

Unlike you, we are not afraid.

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Unlike you, we're not too stupid to see that while even the potential threat exists it needs to be addressed.

We're also not so callous and self centered as to think "It won't be me personally killed so there is no threat".

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The Velveteen Ocelot  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Thu Jan-22-09 10:25 PM
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1. Because the conservative ideology is based fundamentally on fear.
   
Fear is what underlies their "philosophy" and drives their actions. Not to put too fine a point on it, they're a bunch of cowards.

I could say the progressive idiology is also based on fear. Fear of work. Fear of being told "NO". Fear of not having a government mommy to change your diapers.

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rwheeler31  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-22-09 10:36 PM
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5. They are above the law they learned it in church.

That's so profoundly stupid I don't know what to say.

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rhett o rick  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Thu Jan-22-09 11:11 PM
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15. They want power. Freedom gets in the way. nm

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jmondine  Donating Member  (440 posts)   Fri Jan-23-09 06:43 PM
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21. I'd like to add one more thing to those who feel "emasculated"...
   
Cruelty and cowardice are not masculine. Integrity and dignity are.

It's amusing that integrity and dignity are not to be found on the DU. Cruelty and cowardice on the other hand are displayed regularly.

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treestar  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Fri Jan-23-09 07:28 PM
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22. Right! And when they would argue what if you or your loved ones
   
are killed by terrorists, I'd say the odds of that were too low to give up our freedom for - that I'd rather take my chances. And what kind of life do people allegedly completely safe from terror have? They'd live in a police state.

These idiots also don't get that not only would they still be subjected to terrorist attacks, they'd now have to be afraid of the government, too. A government with that much power that can lock you up whenever they say you are a threat, whether you are or not - these idiots should ask people who lived in totalitarian regimes what it is like for the government to have so much power.

Exactly what freedoms have you lost again ?
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2009, 07:20:32 PM »
Oh my.

Yet a new depth of stupidity for the primitives.

They dug pretty deep after the elections of 2004, but that level's up in the stratosphere, compared how deep they've dug their stupidity now.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM »
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2009, 07:23:32 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?

Nah.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2009, 07:25:40 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?
Even in a city full of liberals there are good people.  I doubt it is going to be as easy as the story of Lot where the one good person could just be airvaced out.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2009, 07:25:54 PM »
Quote from: franksolich on January 23, 2009, 07:23:32 PM
Nah.
I know.

I keep telling myself I should save my fellow citizens, that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, past case law of the Geneva Conventions, jihadists are merely sub-human...

...but I just can't bring myself to save those cretins.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2009, 07:58:44 PM »
As evidence of all the brave and resolute DUmmies I would suggest this thread also put up by LC.

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,21163.0.html

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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2009, 08:07:30 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?

NO, in fact I would turn him loose with my blessing...some lessons are learned the hard way.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2009, 08:26:09 PM »
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Why are they afraid?

Primitives are so immature.  Everything has to be simplified to some sort of emotional response to them.

They consistently try to apply " irrational fear" as a motivating force for conservatives, when nothing could be further from the truth.  If I lock my house when I leave, or my car door when I get out to go to work, is that out of fear?  Of course not, it's just the responsible thing to do, and no reasonable person would claim it was anything otherwise.

But that's exactly what the primitives claim we believe regarding our desire that terrorists stay in prison.  It never occurs to them that perhaps we just don't care to have them out in public because, as responsible citizens, we believe terrorists should stay locked up.

But it's good to note they still are upset they were correctly labeled as "cowards and traitors" for their anti-American political viewpoints, otherwise they wouldn't continually mention it.

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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2009, 09:51:50 PM »
I'm pretty much in the camp of the sacrifice of a very blue city full of liberals and welfare recipients to save the many is not going to trouble me that much.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2009, 10:46:31 PM »
Quote from: jukin on January 23, 2009, 09:51:50 PM
I'm pretty much in the camp of the sacrifice of a very blue city full of liberals and welfare recipients to save the many is not going to trouble me that much.
Pretty much.  It's not like they onsider us to be anything other than a bunch of stupid hicks.   They no longer need to bother to ask me for help, the answer will remain no.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2009, 10:49:56 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?

Mr. Snuggle Bunny--there are only two rules when it comes to torture:

--Red is positive.
--Black is negative.

That is all.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2009, 10:57:58 PM »
Quote from: NHSparky on January 23, 2009, 10:49:56 PM
Mr. Snuggle Bunny--there are only two rules when it comes to torture:

--Red is positive.
--Black is negative.

That is all.

..And salt water is a fine conductor...
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2009, 03:02:54 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?

Oh that's a hard one........nope.....wasn't so hard afterall.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2009, 08:03:10 AM »
Quote from: Duke Nukum on January 23, 2009, 07:25:40 PM
Even in a city full of liberals there are good people.  I doubt it is going to be as easy as the story of Lot where the one good person could just be airvaced out.

Sacrifices must be made.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2009, 08:20:45 AM »
Oh! I know what to do.....chain all the DUmmies to the important stuff as human shields. It'll be a win-win situation for us and the terrorist.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2009, 08:50:44 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on January 24, 2009, 08:20:45 AM
Oh! I know what to do.....chain all the DUmmies to the important stuff as human shields. It'll be a win-win situation for us and the terrorist.
Remember just before the Iraq war started how many libtards went to Iraq to serve as human shields...

...until Saddam planted them all in militarily vital installations and they all ran home to mommy?

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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2009, 09:19:39 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 24, 2009, 08:50:44 AM
Remember just before the Iraq war started how many libtards went to Iraq to serve as human shields...

...until Saddam planted them all in militarily vital installations and they all ran home to mommy?

 :rotf:

Yeah....but the ones we're talking about now are even bigger cowards......all talk.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2009, 09:22:02 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 24, 2009, 08:50:44 AM
Remember just before the Iraq war started how many libtards went to Iraq to serve as human shields...

...until Saddam planted them all in militarily vital installations and they all ran home to mommy?

 :rotf:

ON SECOND THOUGHT....send all the GITMO detainees to Berzerkley for an education......lets see how long it takes for them to call the MARINES..... :rotf:
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2009, 09:30:18 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on January 24, 2009, 09:22:02 AM
ON SECOND THOUGHT....send all the GITMO detainees to Berzerkley for an education......lets see how long it takes for them to call the MARINES..... :rotf:
I bet they could piss off jihadis too.

"No! No! No! For Allah's sake you have it all wrong. The burqa is not to liberate women but to hide her sinful nature and keep her from corrupting men. No, we do not want homeland, we just want to kill the jews who descend from pigs and monkeys.

"Oh, screw this crap I just cut your damned head off."
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2009, 09:50:03 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 24, 2009, 09:30:18 AM
I bet they could piss off jihadis too.

"No! No! No! For Allah's sake you have it all wrong. The burqa is not to liberate women but to hide her sinful nature and keep her from corrupting men. No, we do not want homeland, we just want to kill the jews who descend from pigs and monkeys.

"Oh, screw this crap I just cut your damned head off."

Somebody channeling Achmed the Dead Terrorist?
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2009, 10:22:08 AM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?

Yes.  In a heartbeat.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2009, 11:55:34 AM »
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The Velveteen Ocelot  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Thu Jan-22-09 10:25 PM
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1. Because the conservative ideology is based fundamentally on fear.
   
Fear is what underlies their "philosophy" and drives their actions. Not to put too fine a point on it, they're a bunch of cowards.

Liberalism is chock full of fear their patron saint Algore constantly preaches how global warming errr climate change is gonna kill us all.
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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2009, 12:09:44 PM »
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The Velveteen Ocelot  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Thu Jan-22-09 10:25 PM
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1. Because the conservative ideology is based fundamentally on fear.
   
Fear is what underlies their "philosophy" and drives their actions. Not to put too fine a point on it, they're a bunch of cowards.

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The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years.  The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: Why are they afraid?
« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2009, 12:10:13 PM »
Quote from: Mr Snuggle Bunny on January 23, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
MORAL DILEMMA: Would you torture a jihadist to save a city full of liberals?

Yes, only because torturing a jihadist would be so much fun.  If there is a downside result, oh well.
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