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President Barack Obama is expected to sign "several" executive orders on Thursday directing the Central Intelligence Agency to close its network of "black sites," or secret foreign prisons, and order the closing of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp within a year.

The executive orders, aimed at rolling back much of former President Bush's architecture for the war on terror, involve "altering CIA detention and interrogation rules, limiting interrogation standards in all U.S. facilities worldwide to those outlined in the Army Field Manual, and prohibiting the agency from secretly holding terrorist detainees in third-country prisons," the Washington Post said citing sources familiar with the briefings.

The New York Times said the "orders would bring to an end a Central Intelligence Agency program that kept terrorism suspects in secret custody for months or years," and "also prohibit the CIA from using coercive interrogation methods."

A revised version of the Army Field Manual was released in 2006, explicitly banning enhanced interrogation techniques such as beating, using dogs to intimidate, electric shocks and waterboarding, which critics say is tantamount to torture.

On Wednesday, White House counsel Greg Craig met with top Republicans to review the president's plan and "told members of Congress to expect 'several' executive orders on Guantanamo Bay."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/21/obama-closing-gitmo-year/100days/
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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2009, 07:51:20 AM »
IMO, this makes the right wing concerns over his alliances something worth considering. I might not say that if he wasn't taking this kind of action so quickly. This guy is going to just open the doors for terrorists.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2009, 08:01:43 AM »
damn.  just....damn.

We are screwed.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2009, 08:07:24 AM »
I'm so glad I don't live in a liberal city.  Those of you that do....................YOU'RE ****ED
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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 09:13:31 AM »
Osama bin Laden got what he wanted this last election; someone who'll bring spitballs to a nuke fight.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 09:16:10 AM »
Of course we all know what will happen when/if some of the Gitmo detainees are moved to the US and havoc ensues wherever they are placed. 
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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 09:54:55 AM »
Within the year I'll bet we get hit again, and it'll still be Bush's fault (If he haden't...fill in the blank)



Looks like the country voted in a Moonbat.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 09:59:25 AM »
WTF is next? Putting a giant target on the Sears Tower? Might as well since the Big Zero is going to be catering directly to the terrorists.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 10:44:34 AM »
Well he's done it.

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land.  Cool huh?"

Obama Issues Directives on Detainees, Interrogation, Guantanamo

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/22/obama-issues-directives-detainees-interrogation-guantanamo/


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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 10:51:38 AM »
if (when?) we get hit again, this is going to be indefensible.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 11:10:31 AM »
Well he's done it.

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land.  Cool huh?"

Obama Issues Directives on Detainees, Interrogation, Guantanamo

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/01/22/obama-issues-directives-detainees-interrogation-guantanamo/





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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2009, 11:12:31 AM »

We are so f**ked....... that is all I can say.

All I can do is agree.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 11:17:11 AM »

We are so f**ked....... that is all I can say.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2009, 11:33:39 AM »
More shotgun and .45 ammo.  Might be a good time to look into a good .308 with a scope.
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2009, 12:09:42 PM »
More shotgun and .45 ammo.  Might be a good time to look into a good .308 with a scope.


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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2009, 12:19:59 PM »
Per Politico

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Best buddies: John McCain and Lindsey Graham released a joint statement supporting Obama's order to close Gitmo.

"We support President obama's decision to close the prison at Guantanamo, reaffirm America's adherence to the Geneva conventions and begin a process that will, we hope, lead to the resolution of all cases of Guantanamo detainees," they say.

But they add: "Numerous difficult issues remain...We believe the military commissions should have been allowed to continue their work. We look forward to working with the President and his administration on these issues."
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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2009, 03:03:31 PM »
Per Politico


yeah, but lindsay graham recently lost his mind.  and john mccain may have never been fully in possession of his marbles.  :-)

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2009, 03:39:21 PM »
And now this just highlights his ignorance.

He doesn't seem to understand terrorists are not reasonable people.  If strap-on bombs don't show that, I don't know what will?  Perhaps flying a jumbo jet or two into an american landmark maybe?


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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2009, 03:43:02 PM »
Per Politico


didn't team obama pretty much come right out and call mccain an semi-insane old man that was utterly bewildered when he wasn't actually erratic?

hell, we can't afford 4 more years of failed bush-mccain endorsed policies, dammit! 


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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2009, 03:45:44 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm new here.  I cannot believe zero actually did this.  I naivelly thought that after getting some of the "inside scoop" from those departing, he would change his mind and spin it somehow to calm the moonbat masses.  What a huge mistake.  We will surely be hit again.  Then, however, he's toast.  I don't want to make the wrong first impression, because I'm a decent person, but even decent people have evil thoughts (like "what if they hit the capitol?")  

Does anybody here check any muslim sites/forums to see what the chatter is?  


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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2009, 03:49:31 PM »
Hi everyone, I'm new here.  I cannot believe zero actually did this.  I naivelly thought that after getting some of the "inside scoop" from those departing, he would change his mind and spin it somehow to calm the moonbat masses.  What a huge mistake.  We will surely be hit again.  Then, however, he's toast.  I don't want to make the wrong first impression, because I'm a decent person, but even decent people have evil thoughts (like "what if they hit the capitol?") 

Does anybody here check any muslim sites/forums to see what the chatter is? 



it isn't actually closed, so he hasn't done it yet.  but let's face it, sooner or later, he had to keep a campaign promise, even if it was completely by accident. :-)

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2009, 06:19:19 PM »
Of all the things that need taking care of in America and the world, Obama does this on his second full day in office? Oh, please.

Certainly, this is payback to the fascists and other leftists, as well as liberals, here and abroad, who supported him. The Europeans must be beside themselves with glee. Terrorists everywhere, too.

And it's a clear signal to the terrorists that we may be returning to the Bill Clinton days of serve'em-with-legal-papers approach to fighting terrorism. We all know how successful that was. Well, all of us except those who were murdered on 9/11 in that act of war. And those who died in the embassies bombings. And the USS Cole.
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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2009, 07:19:18 PM »
Ok, so here is the first thing he has done which horrifies me.

Yeah -- we're screwed.    The military should just kill them then.   Don't ask a freakin question, just kill them.   

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2009, 07:46:37 PM »
Ok, so here is the first thing he has done which horrifies me.

Yeah -- we're screwed.    The military should just kill them then.   Don't ask a freakin question, just kill them.   
Exactly. Killing someone who is shooting at you is still OK.  Taking the same person prisoner means you will be enmeshed in a legal morass for God knows how long.

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Re: Obama to Close Guantanamo and Foreign Prisons, Limit CIA Methods
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2009, 08:30:40 PM »
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The executive order says everyone in custody should be questioned under the Army Field Manual, which is intended for honorable combatants, meaning POWs in a military conflict. The rule would prevent trained interrogators at the CIA from using lawful interrogation techniques against terrorists who have been trained to withstand Army Field Manual techniques.

"The message that we are sending the world is that the United States intends to prosecute the ongoing struggle against violence and terrorism and we are going to do so vigilantly and we are going to do so effectively and we are going to do so in a manner that is consistent with our values and our ideals," the president said.

According to sources in the law enforcement community, the executive order on interrogation does not declare "enhanced interrogation techniques" to be torture; the order is silent on that.

"This allows for a lot of flexibility, a lot of wiggle room," said one source.
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