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Offline LC EFA

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The first important change
« on: January 18, 2009, 07:39:08 PM »
A list of requests demands from the DU..

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leftofthedial  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-18-09 07:04 PM
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What is the most important change you want to see in the next year?
   
I don't mean necessarily the first thing Obama should do, but the thing that you believe is the most important short-term change that we need.

For me, it's a change back to a demand-side economy. I am not hopeful that it will happen.

Second for me is to restore a belief in justice and rule of law in this country. That will require serious investigation and prosecution of the worst criminals our country has ever known--not a whitewash commission or a bought-off "prosecutor" to confirm whatever serves the status quo, but a true investigation focused on finding and exposing the truth and then applying the law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4856208&mesg_id=4856208

You might wanna be careful to make sure your own party is clean before demanding things you can't take back. Of course , I know that when you say investigating you mean "go round up Bush and his cronies" and by prosecute you mean "No need for a trial, off with their heads".

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Donnachaidh  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author  Click to view this author's profile  Click to add this author to your buddy list  Click to add this author to your Ignore list      Sun Jan-18-09 07:06 PM
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1. universal healthCARE - not insurance DEATHcare
   
Completely cut out the CANCER known as the health insurance industry. That also includes the FOR-PROFIT HMO's and medical organizations.

Health CARE - not pennypinching DEATH care.

Great... put a few hundred thousand people out of work, reduce the available number of beds and staff by the same. And that's just for starters.

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leftofthedial  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-18-09 07:08 PM
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5. that one is a huge priority for fixing the economy.
   
Edited on Sun Jan-18-09 07:14 PM by leftofthedial
I would have mentioned it as part of my "demand-side" comment, but I didn't want to muddy the bigger picture.

I think Obama's plan could help a few more people than it hurts, but it does not solve our core for-profit health insurance problem. His plan enshrines the private, for-profit insurance companies as the permanent owners of the system. It's kind of like if FDR had privatized Social Security right from the beginning.

Do you think it will happen?
   

See above comment. Tell me how that would be good for the economy ?

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leftofthedial  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-18-09 07:47 PM
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22. I swear to god at least 60% of the country are the "fringe leftists"
   
that neither party represents.

Seek professional help. Seriously.

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barbtries  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Sun Jan-18-09 07:07 PM
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3. end the wars   Updated at 1:03 PM
   
create jobs, work on lessening poverty. it's like impossible to say one thing.
   

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QuestionAll  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-18-09 07:08 PM
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6. nationalize the banking system...
   
as soon as we get single-payer universal healthcare.

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28erl  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Sun Jan-18-09 07:10 PM
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8. stop the war(s) and military industrial complex
   
2. national health care like canada
3. Tax corporations who off shore or do their work in physical building internationally (where they hide their off shoring) - tax them more than those who have business at home and only sell to other countries
4. Award those who have businesses in the usa who hired usa citizens and not h1b or j1b or any other baloney for hiring non-usa citizens
5. create jobs
6. don't help wall street or the banks or the corporations who continue to screw the people
7. Close gitmo
8. Stop calling it a war on terror
9. Fix crime here in the usa by fixing wages to be livable wages
10 proscute those who destroyed this nation in the last twenty years

These people shouldn't be surprised that Obama wouldn't touch em with a 10 foot pole.
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2009, 07:42:37 PM »
What is a demand side economy ?  Is that like" Give give me I want it now ".
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2009, 07:45:16 PM »
Uh, sorry, DUmmies. The first order of business in your socialist pipe dreams will be filibuster without cloture. 
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2009, 07:45:37 PM »
back to a demand side economy??? The stupid Mercantilism that the British had on the colonies must be what this one refered to
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2009, 07:47:09 PM »
I hope they know if their wish came true they'd be living in hell.
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2009, 07:51:59 PM »
Quote from: Zeus on January 18, 2009, 07:42:37 PM
What is a demand side economy ?  Is that like" Give give me I want it now ".

I think that we have always had a "demand side" economy.  A company produces their product, and if there is a demand, then the company will succeed.
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2009, 08:00:01 PM »
If they get their wish on the healthcare issues, I will be one of a few hundred thousand people out of a job.  Hospitals and healthcare corporations will fold in a New York minute.
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2009, 08:02:06 PM »
Quote from: FGL on January 18, 2009, 07:47:09 PM
I hope they know if their wish came true they'd be living in hell.

Good place for most of them.  But the problem is they want to take me with them.
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2009, 08:02:23 PM »
Quote from: Zeus on January 18, 2009, 07:42:37 PM
What is a demand side economy ?  Is that like" Give give me I want it now ".

Pretty much.

It is a stupid idea that if you give societies wealth to the poor (them of course) they will spend it willy nilly and the demand for products and services will increase the supply (businesses).

It is ludicrous of course because the ability to deliver a product or service is the result of not only a market but whether the costs involved will allow that product to be delivered at a price which will be paid.

Just a thinly veiled attempt to cover their greed and envy.
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2009, 08:05:56 PM »
Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to vote democra....socialist.
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2009, 09:06:30 PM »
I am so sick and ****ing tired of hearing "close GITMO"

**** OFF YOU SOCIALIST PIECES OF SHIT  :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird: :bird:


GITMO is a Naval base in Cuba.........................most of you ignorant ****s never knew it existed until Jack and Tom made that movie.  You don't want..............well you probably do want it closed, but there is a lot more to GITMO than the terrorist holding facility, brig, jail what the **** ever.  That was set up at GITMO after we went into Afghanistan and started taking ILLEGAL combatants off the battlefield you ignorant ****wads.

oh **** off :thatsright:
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2009, 09:17:22 PM »
I wonder if his first order of business will be to change the name of his official residence.

Hmmmm, what could he call it?   :uhsure:
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 09:18:03 PM »

"Fuhrer?  This is your Master, Soros -- have Ayers wipe out Nute Gunray and Gilramos Libkath"
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2009, 09:28:21 PM »
I would think the FIRST important change would be federally recognized Gay marri... 

Oh yeah...
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Re: The first important change
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2009, 10:17:50 AM »
Afer observing them for 5 years now, they haven't a clue as to what is meant by "supply-side economics."  They just know Reagan pushed for it so it must be bad.

Supply-side simple means to let citizens keep more of their own money so they can use it to invent and/or produce products they foresee the general population as desiring.  IOW, you dream up something you believe will assist the general public, use your own capital to make and produce it, and then introduce to the market for consumption.  It's basically saying that by producing the supply, it will create a demand.

Demand-side is the opposite.  It says don't invent or produce anything until you're certain people either want it or are going to need it.  IOW sit on you hands and do nothing until you know for a fact it's already needed.  Really a backward way of how humans work, but that's how the DUmmies operate.

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Re: The first important change
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 10:29:13 AM »
Perhaps they should ask such liberal bastions as Harvard why they charge exorbitant rates when they have BILLIONS of dollars in endowments, I mean shit, education should be free too, shouldn't it?
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