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US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« on: January 15, 2009, 02:54:25 PM »


Breaking -- http://www.abclocal.go.com/wabc/index

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Prayers for everyone -- no word on if anyone was hurt
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2009, 02:56:18 PM »
New info:

Not a commuter -- an A320 (about the size of a 737).  Still no word on injuries or deaths.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2009, 02:57:18 PM »
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numSlides of totalImages  A U.S. Airways airplane has crashed into the Hudson River, CBS 2 has learned. The plane appears to be in one piece and passengers are being evaucated by rescue teams.

Officials tell CBS 2 the airplane is Flight 1549, an Airbus 380 that took off from La Guardia Aiport. There are reports that there were about 60 people on board.

There are reports that a bird strike may have caused the plane to go down, meaning a bird may have entered the engine, causing a malfunction.

There is no word on injuries to passengers.

The plane is floating upright in the water near the USS Intrepid.


http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/us.airways.crash.2.909535.html
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2009, 03:05:24 PM »
I would think that the fuselage being intact, as in that shot in the OP, means that the pilot kept control of the plane, and injuries/deaths are low.  One is too many, but I would think that the bright spot will be that the pilot kept the plane intact.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2009, 03:06:47 PM »
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2009, 03:07:51 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 15, 2009, 03:05:24 PM
I would think that the fuselage being intact, as in that shot in the OP, means that the pilot kept control of the plane, and injuries/deaths are low.  One is too many, but I would think that the bright spot will be that the pilot kept the plane intact.

Lotta cold people but it looks as if it could have been a HELLUVA lot worse for a winter water landing.

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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2009, 03:11:28 PM »
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GREAT screen-cap!  Fox News has been told to stay far away and they haven't been able to get the cameras to see past the rescue boats.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2009, 03:15:24 PM »
Sure is lousy weather temp wise to do a water rescue today!
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2009, 03:21:09 PM »
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US Airways Flight 1549 in Hudson River
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News reports showing an Airbus A320 that flew out of New York's LaGuardia sinking in Hudson River. Good news, if there is such a thing: Airframe appears very intact and was floating on the water for a good amount of time. Lots of ferries and helicopters there - pictures of people on the wings.

TV reports say 146 pax and 5 crew. Flight was en route to Charlotte and pilot reported hitting a "flock of geese" sources are saying - if he suffered birdstrikes on both engines, very likely to have to ditch the plane.

That would do it. He might have sucked in multiple birds into each engine. Turbofans are pretty resistant but all it takes is one piece of debris
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2009, 03:32:11 PM »
Quote from: Flame on January 15, 2009, 03:15:24 PM
Sure is lousy weather temp wise to do a water rescue today!

Apparently quite cold -- but the passengers and crew are already away from the plan and presumably being treated for car-crash type injuries.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2009, 03:34:09 PM »
Bird strikes would make the engine hiccup and they do alot of damage internally.  Thats why airport operation managers drive around the runway shooting fireworks, to scare them away.  I'm glad that no one was hurt.  The pilot did an excellant job of getting the plane down.  The fuselage is airtight, so, it will float for a bit and give people time to get out.....MD
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2009, 03:36:17 PM »
Quote from: md11hydmec on January 15, 2009, 03:34:09 PM
Bird strikes would make the engine hiccup and they do alot of damage internally.  Thats why airport operation managers drive around the runway shooting fireworks, to scare them away.  I'm glad that no one was hurt.  The pilot did an excellant job of getting the plane down.  The fuselage is airtight, so, it will float for a bit and give people time to get out.....MD

I suspect the pilot will be feted as a hero -- a hard and good decision in a difficult spot.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2009, 03:36:46 PM »
Three lawyers drowned and two suffered hypothemia when they attempted by swimming to be the first on the scene to sign up 'victims' for lawsuits.

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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2009, 03:37:38 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on January 15, 2009, 03:36:46 PM
Three lawyers drowned and two suffered hypothemia when they attempted by swimming to be the first on the scene to sign up 'victims' for lawsuits.

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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2009, 04:11:52 PM »
This is the airline my brother flys for. The good thing for him is tha tHe;s off in Cancun right now and not flying the same route to Charlotte as this plane was going to do. Its good to see the passengers and crew get out safe.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2009, 04:16:58 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on January 15, 2009, 03:36:46 PM
Three lawyers drowned and two suffered hypothemia when they attempted by swimming to be the first on the scene to sign up 'victims' for lawsuits.

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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2009, 04:21:40 PM »
Quote from: md11hydmec on January 15, 2009, 03:34:09 PM
Bird strikes would make the engine hiccup and they do alot of damage internally.  Thats why airport operation managers drive around the runway shooting fireworks, to scare them away.  I'm glad that no one was hurt.  The pilot did an excellant job of getting the plane down.  The fuselage is airtight, so, it will float for a bit and give people time to get out.....MD

The fuel in the tanks adds some buoyancy as well.

This could have been a LOT worse...

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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2009, 04:24:30 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on January 15, 2009, 03:36:17 PM
I suspect the pilot will be feted as a hero -- a hard and good decision in a difficult spot.

He really did a great job.  Think about it.  Birds take out both engines, they compressor stall, he get erratic indications, he loses power, does a "go around" to land back at LGW, engines finally can't go any more, he sets it down perfectly in the water and not in the city, saving potentially hundreds of lives.  The pilot IS a hero.  Birds do alot more damage than people know...MD

The jet fuel probably added to it.  Water is heavier than jet fuel.

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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2009, 04:33:05 PM »
They are towing the plane now.

Everyone is safe....unbelievable. Those pilots saved 154 souls including themselves.... :bow: :bow: :bow:

Coast Guard has divers in the water keeping the plane secure. Fox reporter says it is "bitter cold".

Gives new meaning to the phrase "the airline lost my luggage"..... :uhsure:
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2009, 04:46:57 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on January 15, 2009, 04:19:25 PM
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Neil Boortz was on Hannity's radio show, saying that because the flight was only to Charlotte, the fuel tanks were nowhere near as full as they would have been on a transatlantic fight, for example.  The air in the tanks kept the plane afloat.  Yeah, whatever grade of JP they use is lighter than water, but the additional weight of the JP displacing the air in the tanks would have caused that Airbus to sink rather rapidly.

And another thing.  Boortz said that even though the pilots were able to keep the plane in one piece through their professionalism and skill, the fact that everyone survived is a testament to the professionalism and competence of the flight attendants on that plane.  Lord knows that the flight attendants don't get enough appreciation most of the time.  They deserve a lot more than what they're given.  Today was a testament to that.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2009, 06:54:09 PM »
Quote from: md11hydmec on January 15, 2009, 04:24:30 PM
He really did a great job.  Think about it.  Birds take out both engines, they compressor stall, he get erratic indications, he loses power, does a "go around" to land back at LGW, engines finally can't go any more, he sets it down perfectly in the water and not in the city, saving potentially hundreds of lives.  The pilot IS a hero.  Birds do alot more damage than people know...MD

The jet fuel probably added to it.  Water is heavier than jet fuel.

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Add to that...that when the generator goes and there is no power coming from the engines...there is no hydraulics to steer the damn thing either.

I guarantee you that both of those pilots won't need to do any upper body muscle workouts for the next week or so.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2009, 06:59:42 PM »
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A buddy of mine used to work for a large ambulance company, one night responding to a call they got in a pretty serious accident.  When the first company supervisor showed up he walked straight past my buddy and the guy that was driving the ambulance and started spray painting over the company name/ logo before the media arrived...

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CBS 2 HD has learned the crippled plane missed the George Washington Bridge by just 900 feet.

The veteran pilot, Chesley Sullenberger, guided the Airbus 320 into the Hudson near 48th Street after it lost two engines shortly after its 3:26 p.m. takeoff from LaGuardia Airport. Early reports said the plane hit a flock of birds.

The 57-year-old Sullenberger, from Danville, Calif., is a 29-year US Airways veteran and a former U.S. Air Forcer fighter pilot who flew F-4 aircraft. He is president of Safety Reliability Methods, a California safety consulting firm.
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Re: US Airways commuter jet crashes into the Hudson River
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2009, 08:13:19 PM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 15, 2009, 04:46:57 PM
H5 #3 . . .

Neil Boortz was on Hannity's radio show, saying that because the flight was only to Charlotte, the fuel tanks were nowhere near as full as they would have been on a transatlantic fight, for example.  The air in the tanks kept the plane afloat.  Yeah, whatever grade of JP they use is lighter than water, but the additional weight of the JP displacing the air in the tanks would have caused that Airbus to sink rather rapidly.

And another thing.  Boortz said that even though the pilots were able to keep the plane in one piece through their professionalism and skill, the fact that everyone survived is a testament to the professionalism and competence of the flight attendants on that plane.  Lord knows that the flight attendants don't get enough appreciation most of the time.  They deserve a lot more than what they're given.  Today was a testament to that.
You're right BLueState, I should've said Flight Crew to include the Flight Attendants.  They never do get enough props.

Yes Tx, when the engine goes, hydraulic pumps go too, unless they have the APU going and have the electric pumps on.  Still not enough flow rate to replace the engine pumps(12gpm vs 35gpm).  I know when I taxi airplanes, I have to have the electric pumps on in case the engine pumps go.  I'm not sure if this plane is fly by wire or not.  Not familiar with the A320.  But, regardless, the entire flight crew, pilots and flight attendants, did an awesome job.  Glad everyone got out safe....MD
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