What do we do with Gitmo detainees?

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Unsane  (1000+ posts)  Tue Jan-13-09 02:38 AM
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What do we do with Gitmo detainees?

Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 02:40 AM by Unsane
Try them in U.S. District Courts as regular defendants with full due process? Try them by court-martial? Send them back to their home countries? Continue to jail them indefinitely as prisoners of war? I'm looking for valid suggestions. I feel like if military prosecutors don't think they can successfully convict in a valid federal court, i.e. without tortured confessions etc., then the detainee should be released and sent to their home country (or a host country).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8083909

Why you try them, if they're found guilty , execute them. Simple no ?

If you bleeding heart terrorist sympathizers didn't go to every effort possible to prevent them being tried at all, most of them would be dead or repatriated now.

ColbertWatcher  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Tue Jan-13-09 04:00 AM
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2. Send them to Dumbya's Dallas residence.   Updated at 9:48 PM
   
He made his bed. let him lie in it.

If they're not terrorists then you can feel free to take them in and sign surety that they will remain law abiding.

Two Americas  (1000+ posts) Tue Jan-13-09 02:33 PM
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9. wherever they want
   
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 02:38 PM by Two Americas
If they are innocent, give them whatever they want. If there is a case against some, make the case and go to trial.

There is no room for ambiguity here.
 
Unsane (1000+ posts)     Tue Jan-13-09 04:35 PM
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10. Yeah, release suspected terrorists onto US streets!
   
That'll win Obama a bunch of new voters!

How prophetic.

WinkyDink  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Tue Jan-13-09 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #10
24. I'd take Bushco's term "suspected terrorists" with a saline solution.
   
More like: "Unfortunate bas****s we swept off the streets."

It appears that "Swept off the streets" is liberal code for they were caught under arms , without identifying marks behind enemy lines , often engaging in hostile action.

Peace Patriot  Donating Member  (1000+ posts)  Tue Jan-13-09 05:57 AM
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5. We are talking about prisoners on whom great harm has been inflicted.
   
Detention without trial, for years and years. Torture. Isolation. Probably most of them are innocent of any crime. Evidence that some were bought from warlords in Afghanistan. Evidence that some were merely soldiers defending their country. (Is shooting back at an invading force a crime?) Evidence that some were doing nothing at all. Evidence that juveniles were imprisoned and tortured as well. Initially hooded, shackled and terrorized on black flights half way round the world. No contact with family, friends, communities or their native countries. Many of these prisoners are probably close to insanity, with serious health problems.

Try them in civilian courts? That is absurd. We owe them reparations!

So here's my suggestion. We vacate Guantanamo Bay, and turn it over to the Cuban medical system, to be transformed into a convalescent facility. Cuba has one of the best medical care systems in Latin America--and, indeed, in the world. They have a surplus of well-trained doctors and health professionals. Let them design and implement a healing program for these prisoners (who would not likely trust U.S. doctors). Let Cuban architects, artists and gardeners re-design the facility--make it beautiful and wholesome, a monument to the healing arts. Fund it. And also set up a pension fund for the prisoners--a life pension sufficient to maintain them and any family dependent on them. They can remain at the Guantanamo Bay convalescent facility for as along as they want, or re-locate to a chosen country that will have them.

This could also be a means of healing relations between Cuba and the U.S. Acknowledge our responsibility for these prisoners; let Cuba solve the problem, with one of their highest achievements--their medical system.

It would go a long way to repairing our foreign relations, everywhere, to admit, for once, that we were wrong. And we couldn't have been any more wrong than we have been at Guantanamo Bay. We have also been wrong about Cuba (as everybody else in the world knows). So, combine all these things in a healing policy, that reaches out to Cuba and acknowledges their medical brilliance (not to mention their presence on the island), that reaches out to the prisoners and acknowledges the wrong done to them, and the need to make amends, and that demonstrates to the world that we can do something very positive for a change.

We have other such prisons--known and secret prisons and torture dungeons around the world. Close them all. Also give those prisoners the option of residence at Guantanamo Bay, under the care of Cuban physicians, for physical and mental healing, and pensions, and freedom to relocate.

The Bushwhacks have been trying to shop these prisoners around. I find this baffling. Why don't we give them the option of U.S. citizenship? We owe it to them. As for the few who might be actual terrorists, I think we have only one option: amnesty. We can't hold them. We can't try them. We have abused and harmed them. Have we not gotten enough revenge, as yet? Give up revenge. Offer them healing by a neutral party (Cuban physicians) and lifelong assistance. Make peace. We have become hated by making war. Let us seek respect--if not love--by making peace. Sign a peace treaty with these prisoners. Put pen to paper.

*snort* This would have to be the funniest, and most mind blowingly stupid thing I've read on DU all year.

bottomtheweaver  (347 posts)  Wed Jan-14-09 12:45 AM
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30. The reality is we owe them reparations.
   
And if there was any justice in the world, we'd pay them richly, or their families. But of course that's not the repuke way.

Feel free to pay em whatever you like out of your pocket, scumbag.

[Carl]

I say we locate the home address of a bunch of DUmmies and we move them to a house next door.

What do you want to bet their attitudes would change in a heartbeat?

[djones520]

These people just don't get it...

Who in their right mind would kidnap innocent people, fly them across the world, spend tens of thousands of dollars for each one, clothing, housing, and feeding them for years on end, for NO DAMN REASON AT ALL?!

These people really do live in an alternate reality.  I think someone needs to go kick them in the junk to help bring them out of it.

[TheSarge]

And if there was any justice in the world, we'd pay them richly, or their families.

Riiiiiiiight...and then that shiny new U.S. currency we gave them would go right back into the coffers of the terrorists and get used to purchase everything needed to KILL US!


   You'd think at some point these idiots would wake up or sober up or something.

[Flame]

Hell, 95% of the people in Gitmo right now have probably had better nutrition and medical care over the past 7 years than they did in the whole lives previously!

[Rebel]

We vacate Guantanamo Bay, and turn it over to the Cuban medical system, to be transformed into a convalescent facility. Cuba has one of the best medical care systems in Latin America--and, indeed, in the world. They have a surplus of well-trained doctors and health professionals. Let them design and implement a healing program for these prisoners (who would not likely trust U.S. doctors). Let Cuban architects, artists and gardeners re-design the facility--make it beautiful and wholesome, a monument to the healing arts. Fund it. And also set up a pension fund for the prisoners--a life pension sufficient to maintain them and any family dependent on them. They can remain at the Guantanamo Bay convalescent facility for as along as they want, or re-locate to a chosen country that will have them.

W......T.......F!

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

These jackasses suck in propaganda like Barney Frank sucks in a //watchyo mouth//   

[Splashdown]

W......T.......F!

http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

These jackasses suck in propaganda like Barney Frank sucks in a //watchyo mouth//   

Yep. Beautiful Cuba. That's why so many try to kill themselves trying to wash up on Florida shores.

[Rebel]

Yep. Beautiful Cuba. That's why so many try to kill themselves trying to wash up on Florida shores.

You know, a damn good case could be made for lobotomies for those jackasses. Read the responses to that thread with the idiot saying, "Oh, I agree, I've been brainwashed by the anti-Cuban groups in south Florida, blah, blah, blah, but I watched a damn "documentary" from the Sundance  liberal Film festival and masturbation celebration, so now my eyes are opened. Thank you fellow DUmbass". 

Cuba is a ****ing hellhole and a damn failed Socialist experiment. ...then again, maybe those two are inherently linked together to begin with. It boggles my ****ing mind how these brainless f'n morons can defend the Palestinians, while trashing our troops and the Israelis. Trash our healthcare system, while speaking praise of that roach-infested shit down south, and talk about Bush like he's a murdering Hitler clone, while praising Hugo Chavez as a "man of the people".

Lobotomies all. I invite ANY ****ing one of you DU jackasses to register here and make your case.

[BlueStateSaint]

Rebel, explosive lobotomies.  With shotguns.

Peace patriot is upset that it didn't get any votes in the Top 10 Dummies of 2008, isn't it?  It's trying to get the '09 competition sewed up . . . 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Aren't there some reefs somewhere in need of a few hundred concrete blocks and some fish food?

[dutch508]

When I read shit like this I sometimes think the only hope we have is for the military to take over and run things. That wouldn't make it better, far from it, but at least we wouldn't be handing the knife over to those who'd cut our throats.

[DumbAss Tanker]

When I read shit like this I sometimes think the only hope we have is for the military to take over and run things. That wouldn't make it better, far from it, but at least we wouldn't be handing the knife over to those who'd cut our throats.

Pray it never comes to that, for all that the civil government seems Hell-bent on self-destruction.

[Wineslob]

These idiots should have watched Hemmingway's Cuba (TV). It's a shithole.

[BEG]

I don't want to go over to DU, please tell me that there are some people in that thread telling them what idiots they are?!?

[Rebel]

I don't want to go over to DU, please tell me that there are some people in that thread telling them what idiots they are?!?

Not that I saw.

[Splashdown]

Meanwhile, of course:

Pentagon: Guantanamo Detainees Returning to Terrorism
The number of Gitmo detainees who rejoined terrorist missions after being released is on the rise, according to the Pentagon.

AP

Tuesday, January 13, 2009

 WASHINGTON -- Terror suspects who have been held but released from Guantanamo Bay are increasingly returning to the fight against the United States and its allies, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

Sixty-one detainees released from the U.S. Navy base prison in Cuba are believed to have rejoined the fight, said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell, citing data from December. That's up from 37 as of March 2008, Morrell said.

Link

God the DUmmies sicken me.

[dutch508]

Let's look at Peace Parrot's plan of action, shall we?

Peace Patriot  (1000+ posts)        Wed Jan-14-09 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. I think my solution--Guantanamo convalescent facility, run by the Cuban medical system--
 funded by us, with pensions to the prisoners So, we give the Cubans billions of dollars to run a day spa? I am sure they'll use the money wisely, say on a missile system from the Russians...--turns a bad, awful, embarrassing, no-win situation into a positive good. There they are, on the other end of the island, with the best medical care system in Latin America--and one of the best in the world--  You and Michael Morre are the only two who truely beleive this...a surplus of doctors and health care professionals (due to their superior medical education program), and a desire to improve Cuba's reputation in the U.S. and get the embargo against them lifted. And here we are--with the excruciating problem of prisoners whom we have grievously harmed, who likely have acute mental/physical problems, who in many cases have no country, and whom we cannot prosecute and imprison further--even if some might be guilty of something (who knows what?).

Let Cuba solve this problem, to our mutual benefit.  Let Cubas solve this problem with our money, you mean...Cuba is already exporting doctors and other medical people to help establish local medical centers for the poor in countries like Bolivia and Venezuela. They are doing it for free, to foster good will, as a foreign policy, and in some cases for barter (oil from Venezuela). They have a whole program to correct blindness among the poor, by flying poor people (or anyone) to their specialized eye clinics for operations. Air fare, and family accommodations for any length of convalescence included. So they have this existing policy of helping others with their much-praised medical system. It seems like very, VERY much a "mutual benefit" situation, whereby we could acknowledge their medical achievements, their legitimacy as a government on the island and enlist their help in solving this apparently unsolvable problem.

Maybe we first need to declare peace with the few prisoners in these gulags Yeah, that's the ticket! tell them we are now at peace! (there are more than one--Guantanamo just the most famous) who may have plotted or acted against us. A great gesture of amnesty, generosity and maybe some individual peace treaties would benefit us as well. I don't know about this--because we simply cannot trust the word of the Bushwhacks or anyone involved in this horror as to the guilt of any prisoner. They have ****ed this up so badly that we do not have the option of protecting ourselves from (further incarcerating) the few who may actually be "terrorists," by legal means. We have only illegal means as an option. And, frankly, I suspect something far worse than this--that torture and indefinite detention were used to cover up trails to our own government on 9/11 and other terrorist acts. (Read James Douglass' book, "JFK and the Unspeakable," published by the Maryknoll fathers, and learn what our own secret government is capable of doing, to boost war profits.) I suspect that these imprisonments were deliberately ****ed up, MIHOP? to prevent the possibility of real trials. In any case, we are in an excruciating dilemma, with regard to the few who might have committed "terrorist" acts (something we may never be able to know for sure). (Can we even trust seemingly truthful confessions in these circumstances? No, we can't.) When you are in an excruciating dilemma, with much at stake--as, say, JFK was during the Cuban Missile Crisis--you must 'think outside of the box.' That's what I'm doing, thinking of individual peace treaties--amnesty for any suspected of "terrorist" acts, and generous help to them, to restore their health, and to take a new path.

That's what JFK and RFK would do--whose efforts to create a peaceful world were truncated by assassination, so long ago. Find the way out of the box.

  Jack and Bobby would have shot the som'bitches six years ago.

[JohnnyReb]

  Jack and Bobby would have shot the som'bitches six years ago.

One was shot by a leftist and the other a muslim.......DUmmies forget.