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People running from Califailure
« on: January 13, 2009, 06:31:42 AM »


Go East, young man? Californians look for the exit
     

 Associated Press Writer Michael R. Blood, Associated Press Writer – Mon Jan 12, 5:40 pm ET AP –
 LOS ANGELES – Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado.

With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to move his family 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have robbed the Golden State of its allure.

Is there something left of the California dream?

"If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."

Since the days of the Gold Rush, California has represented the Promised Land, an image celebrated in the songs of the Beach Boys and embodied by Silicon Valley's instant millionaires and the young men and women who achieve stardom in Hollywood.

But for many California families last year, tomorrow started somewhere else.

The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.

A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.

In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

Why are so many looking for an exit?

Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs.

"You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.

California's obituary has been written before — "California: The Endangered Dream" was the title of a 1991 Time magazine cover story. The Golden State and its huge economy — by itself, the eighth-largest in the world — have shown resilience, weathering the aerospace bust, the dot-com crash and an energy crunch in recent years.(more at link)


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090112/ap_on_re_us/fleeing_california_3


Who would have thought that the state filled with liberal ideologies would become a dismal failure?  SHOCKING!
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2009, 06:46:37 AM »
They're just now figuring this out?  I figured it out years ago--and left.  Let's see how many day laborers and welfare queens it takes to replace my contribution to the tax base, and I wasn't "rich" by any stretch.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2009, 06:58:32 AM »
Property tax of ...."$4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo"....that's $350 a month just in property tax.

I guess that's a small price to pay for the privilege of parading around in a a G-string in a "Gay Pride parade."
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2009, 07:24:38 AM »
I recently traveled to San Diego to perform an audit.

Besides the weather, which was very pleasant, not much else was.

You couldn't pay me to live there.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2009, 07:38:27 AM »
I recently traveled to San Diego to perform an audit.

Besides the weather, which was very pleasant, not much else was.

You couldn't pay me to live there.

Then it's over. Wasn't San Diego one of the last remaining vestiges of semi-conservatism within west coast cities?

Bad thing about it is there's a chance they'll move to a conservative area. .......and vote the same f'n way they voted in California. South Floridiastan wasn't always that damn liberal.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2009, 07:41:15 AM »
Then it's over. Wasn't San Diego one of the last remaining vestiges of semi-conservatism within west coast cities?

Bad thing about it is there's a chance they'll move to a conservative area. .......and vote the same f'n way they voted in California. South Floridiastan wasn't always that damn liberal.

That's been the problem in states like Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico for turning more "purple" over the last decade.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2009, 07:53:01 AM »
Then it's over. Wasn't San Diego one of the last remaining vestiges of semi-conservatism within west coast cities?

Bad thing about it is there's a chance they'll move to a conservative area. .......and vote the same f'n way they voted in California. South Floridiastan wasn't always that damn liberal.

In fairness, I wasn't really there long enough to examine things from a political perspective. SD may very well be a conservative bastion, particularly with the heavy presence of the Navy and Marines Corps. But from an infrastructure point of view, I saw a lot of ragged-assed stuff. Trash in the streets. Bars on windows. Lots and lots of people of Hispanic parentage, gang-bangers, etc.

With the exception of Arcata, Commiefornia, which happens to house a university and is chock-full of liberal morons, I had the impression after traveling through northern Commiefornia that things just might be more even-tempered there. I guess the treehuggers can't quite get their arms around those big redwoods.

What iced the cake for me is the story I got from a hotel clerk in Arcata when he said that the local cops were powerless to arrest and cart away drunks on the street who were raising hell on the town square at 0100 (I witnessed this event.)

He further said that the Commiefornia Supreme Court had struck down a lawsuit on a perp who couldn't put a cork in the bottle and disturbed the peace in the process - apparently his right to "free speech" would be violated if the cops arrested him and threw him in the drunk tank.

I may have to go to Commiefornia to perform my job, but I sure as hell don't have to go there for any kind of vacation - and won't.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2009, 08:44:39 AM »
Then it's over. Wasn't San Diego one of the last remaining vestiges of semi-conservatism within west coast cities?

Bad thing about it is there's a chance they'll move to a conservative area. .......and vote the same f'n way they voted in California. South Floridiastan wasn't always that damn liberal.

Yeah, that's my concern.  The last thing the rest of the country needs is a bunch of needy asswipes from Kali moving in and demanding the same level of services and coddling that wrecked their own state.  If it's people who see the error of their former state's ways, great, otherwise they can stay put and stew in the juice they created.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2009, 09:29:04 AM »
Yeah, that's my concern.  The last thing the rest of the country needs is a bunch of needy asswipes from Kali moving in and demanding the same level of services and coddling that wrecked their own state.  If it's people who see the error of their former state's ways, great, otherwise they can stay put and stew in the juice they created.

That's what I always said; look at how Vermont, once one of the most distinctive states in the union, was ruined by non-Vermontese seeking to escape the congestion, the squalor, the crime, the illiteracy, the drugs and alcohol, the corruption, of their former homes.

Unfortunately, these non-Vermontese didn't change their voting habits that had caused such congestion, squalor, crime, illiteracy, drugs and alcohol, and corruption in their former homes to begin with.

Talk about shitting in somebody else's ground.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2009, 11:15:12 AM »
Property tax of ...."$4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo"....that's $350 a month just in property tax.

I guess that's a small price to pay for the privilege of parading around in a a G-string in a "Gay Pride parade."

Nipomo is a town between Santa Maria and San Luis Obispo, or about 3 hours north of LA.  $4300 in property tax is friggin cheap, considering whoever buys the house, even in this economy, is going to probably pay 650-700K, which translates out to about 7-8K a year in property tax.  While not exactly conservative, Nipomo isn't flaming liberal either.

The point is, not everyone is able to put up with the liberal agenda, nor are they able to pay for it any longer, and they're leaving--either that or their employers are.  What you're going to be left with in a few years are a few limo libs paying the bill for everyone else on welfare.  The middle class, such as it is in CA, is leaving, and taking the tax base with them.  The rich left years ago, or at least got smart enough to have residence in another more tax-friendly state, like Florida or Texas.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2009, 11:17:24 AM »
That's what I always said; look at how Vermont, once one of the most distinctive states in the union, was ruined by non-Vermontese seeking to escape the congestion, the squalor, the crime, the illiteracy, the drugs and alcohol, the corruption, of their former homes.

Unfortunately, these non-Vermontese didn't change their voting habits that had caused such congestion, squalor, crime, illiteracy, drugs and alcohol, and corruption in their former homes to begin with.

Talk about shitting in somebody else's ground.

And what happened to Vermont happened to Maine, and is happening to New Hampshire.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2009, 11:18:32 AM »
One of the big problems these people will face is trying to sell their house.  So many bought while the prices were high and they will never get that money back.  More people refinanced or took out a second mortgage on a house that is now worth less than they owe.  Even if they rented them out they still have to pay the outrageous taxes.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2009, 12:24:40 PM »
These kinds of threads are *fun* to read. People who don't live here have not a clue just how big this state is. Even in the story the idea that Cal is "lemon groves, sunshine and beaches" is laughable. Also equally un-informed is the idea that LA and SD comprise the entire state. In relative terms it's a small area.
Where I live is what we call the "North State". The shithole known as LA is a 14 hour drive away.
Where I live is AG country, mostly rice (I believe our largest AG export), walnuts and almond orchards.
 I have rivers, streams, and lakes all within 30 min to an hour from my doorstep. A far cry from the LA basin trash heap.
Don't ever equate SoCal with the rest of the state, it ain't even close.

The unfortunate reality is the state has been choked to death with Liberalism. While most of the outlying areas are "red" nearly all the bigger cities are firmly blue, and are densely populated compared to other areas. In a sense we are stuck with Liberal "mob rules" laws, regulations, rampant illegal immigration and with Dems having been in control for many years, social "services" that are breaking/have broken the bank. Because the Dimwits are firmly in charge you see the stupidity of "raise taxes!" and "increase social services!" in the same breath, while dealing with a Democrat caused financial melt down.
In typical Libtard fashion, they cannot or refuse to see the utter mess their policies have caused.
I keep hoping we can get some real conservatives in charge someday, but I'm not holding my breath.


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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2009, 12:32:06 PM »
The unfortunate reality is the state has been choked to death with Liberalism. While most of the outlying areas are "red" nearly all the bigger cities are firmly blue, and are densely populated compared to other areas. In a sense we are stuck with Liberal "mob rules" laws, regulations, rampant illegal immigration and with Dems having been in control for many years, social "services" that are breaking/have broken the bank. Because the Dimwits are firmly in charge you see the stupidity of "raise taxes!" and "increase social services!" in the same breath, while dealing with a Democrat caused financial melt down.
In typical Libtard fashion, they cannot or refuse to see the utter mess their policies have caused.
I keep hoping we can get some real conservatives in charge someday, but I'm not holding my breath.

Um, yeah. Isn't that what everyone said? You disagreed with us in your first paragraph and reaffirmed everything with the next. Quite the contradiction. As for Cali being nice, scenery-wise, I don't think anyone's disagreed or had anything negative to say about the mountains, streams, rivers, etc. It was purely politics-based.

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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2009, 12:45:07 PM »
Um, yeah. Isn't that what everyone said? You disagreed with us in your first paragraph and reaffirmed everything with the next. Quite the contradiction. As for Cali being nice, scenery-wise, I don't think anyone's disagreed or had anything negative to say about the mountains, streams, rivers, etc. It was purely politics-based.


Agreed.
I think it's when I see people equating SoCAl as a reason for statements like "you coulden't pay me to live there" makes me sad. There's so much more to the state.
 I diden't mean anything personal. The state is great, the people running it are morans.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2009, 01:00:41 PM »
I have vacationed in CA.  It is one of the most beautiful and diverse states in this nation.  I wouldn't live there if you paid me a gajillion dollars but I feel that way about half the states. :-)  In fact I would only live in maybe 10 of the 50 and that is pushing it.  I have lived in 8 states and loved all but one of them.
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2009, 01:04:42 PM »
Agreed.
I think it's when I see people equating SoCAl as a reason for statements like "you coulden't pay me to live there" makes me sad. There's so much more to the state.
 I diden't mean anything personal. The state is great, the people running it are morans.

So are the people who keep sending the same morons back to Sacramento.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 01:45:13 PM »
Agreed.
I think it's when I see people equating SoCAl as a reason for statements like "you coulden't pay me to live there" makes me sad. There's so much more to the state.
 I diden't mean anything personal. The state is great, the people running it are morans.

I made the comment "you couldn't pay me to live there" and my post not only described a pretty dismal San Diego, but also talked toward a small cesspool known as Arcata.

Arcata's in the north, close to the Oregon border. But I guess you knew that.

When it costs more to live in your state than it's worth - fishing, almond groves, and lemon trees notwithstanding - that is a pretty good motivator for me to stay the hell out.

Nothing personal, WS - I just couldn't justify living there. I like living where I do (north-central Missouri) primarily because the cost of living is reasonable. And while the beaches, almond groves, and lemon trees don't exist here, somehow I think I can live without them.
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 02:08:45 PM »
I made the comment "you couldn't pay me to live there" and my post not only described a pretty dismal San Diego, but also talked toward a small cesspool known as Arcata.

Arcata's in the north, close to the Oregon border. But I guess you knew that.

When it costs more to live in your state than it's worth - fishing, almond groves, and lemon trees notwithstanding - that is a pretty good motivator for me to stay the hell out.

Nothing personal, WS - I just couldn't justify living there. I like living where I do (north-central Missouri) primarily because the cost of living is reasonable. And while the beaches, almond groves, and lemon trees don't exist here, somehow I think I can live without them.

I guess me not being a flatlander, makes it hard to understand. :tongue:

Yes I do look at the cost of living and .......................puke. Costs here are horrid, though the housing deflation has made it "better"?????????
I still can't imagine living anywhere else. Oh well.  :p
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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2009, 02:27:54 PM »
Better?  Better than what?  I couldn't get a job making what I'm paid now in CA.  And considering that housing is MUCH more affordable, even though property taxes are as a percentage higher here, in the end it's still a better deal.

Now consider that in NH, I don't pay things like I used to in CA, such as:

9.3 percent income tax
8.25 percent sales tax
Unemployment and worker's comp policy insurance (which now I guess CA is just hanging up on you if you try to file...)
Fees for every little GD thing under the sun
Higher vehicle registration
Higher gas taxes
Outrageous fines if one is unlucky enough to be caught speeding, etc.,
Higher insurance rates as a result of paying for all the illegals

You begin to see my point?  I loved CA, when I could afford it, when I could get from point A to point B without dodging 45 "Sig-Alerts", without having to worry if someone was going to jack me in this neighborhood or that, etc., etc., etc...

Look at how much U-Haul, etc., are charging for trailers and trucks LEAVING California versus how much they're charging for someone moving TO California.  Then you'll begin to understand.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2009, 03:25:27 PM »
I guess me not being a flatlander, makes it hard to understand. :tongue:

Yes I do look at the cost of living and .......................puke. Costs here are horrid, though the housing deflation has made it "better"?????????
I still can't imagine living anywhere else. Oh well.  :p

Flatlander?

Ever been to this part of Missouri? You might be surprised. Granted, we don't have the Grand Tetons here and the Wasatch Mountains are a little more rugged than the hills around here, but don't confuse this part of Missouri with flatlands like western Kansas and eastern Colorado, for example.

I wish all the enjoyment you can muster out of the state of California -- assuming you can afford it, of course.  :cheersmate:

Oh, and I hope you don't get caught up in the earthquakes, mudslides, forest fires, and Santa Ana winds that seem to conspire against all things.

That might get messy.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2009, 03:34:59 PM »
These kinds of threads are *fun* to read. People who don't live here have not a clue just how big this state is. Even in the story the idea that Cal is "lemon groves, sunshine and beaches" is laughable. Also equally un-informed is the idea that LA and SD comprise the entire state. In relative terms it's a small area.
Where I live is what we call the "North State". The shithole known as LA is a 14 hour drive away.
Where I live is AG country, mostly rice (I believe our largest AG export), walnuts and almond orchards.
 I have rivers, streams, and lakes all within 30 min to an hour from my doorstep. A far cry from the LA basin trash heap.
Don't ever equate SoCal with the rest of the state, it ain't even close.

The unfortunate reality is the state has been choked to death with Liberalism. While most of the outlying areas are "red" nearly all the bigger cities are firmly blue, and are densely populated compared to other areas. In a sense we are stuck with Liberal "mob rules" laws, regulations, rampant illegal immigration and with Dems having been in control for many years, social "services" that are breaking/have broken the bank. Because the Dimwits are firmly in charge you see the stupidity of "raise taxes!" and "increase social services!" in the same breath, while dealing with a Democrat caused financial melt down.
In typical Libtard fashion, they cannot or refuse to see the utter mess their policies have caused.
I keep hoping we can get some real conservatives in charge someday, but I'm not holding my breath.


"The North State".. Perhaps people should rethink the proposed and discarded plan for the State of Jefferson.

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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2009, 03:48:17 PM »
Flatlander?

Ever been to this part of Missouri? You might be surprised. Granted, we don't have the Grand Tetons here and the Wasatch Mountains are a little more rugged than the hills around here, but don't confuse this part of Missouri with flatlands like western Kansas and eastern Colorado, for example.

I wish all the enjoyment you can muster out of the state of California -- assuming you can afford it, of course.  :cheersmate:

Oh, and I hope you don't get caught up in the earthquakes, mudslides, forest fires, and Santa Ana winds that seem to conspire against all things.

That might get messy.

Ya left out the homo stampedes.
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2009, 04:01:51 PM »
Damn dogpilers.   :rotf:
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Re: People running from Califailure
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2009, 04:31:17 PM »
Damn dogpilers.   :rotf:

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