gigantic primitive brawls with civic primitive

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x53513

Okay, this is the "companion bonfire" to the bonfire where the primitives discussed a mausoleumed one, kicked off Skins's island because the gigantic primitive was "offended," his feelings "hurt."

GliderGuider  (1000+ posts)      Sat Jan-10-09 08:54 AM
Original message
 
Another perspective on the depression

The Depression Has Come - Let's Finish the Job, Right

The New York Times made my day when it reported on the state of the economy and world trade on January 3, after the blahblahblah.....

screembloodymurder (1000+ posts)      Sat Jan-10-09 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #2
 
5. Nature is a hard taskmaster.

And we who have wallowed in her plenty, will now be burdened.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sat Jan-10-09 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #5
 
7. You might be on to something there. Nature has plenty.

If Nature has so much, and we are so burdened, let's just tax Her and level the playing field a bit.

Oh, wait.....

leftofthedial  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 01:31 AM
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8. what the world needs now, is a permanent "depression"

we need to ratchet down--forever!--the exploitation of resources and the attempted murder of the planet.

Caution: a "permanent depression" would mean no more social services spending.

That might not be such a good idea.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #8
 
10. Is that a declaration of war on the human race?

leftofthedial  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #10
 
11. no

It is recognition that the human race is killing itself. Without profound, systematic change in how humans use the planet, we won't survive as a species.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #11
 
13. Maybe it's just evolutionary pressure on the human organism itself.

GliderGuider  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 04:32 PM
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20. The current rate of ecological change is too fast to be evolutionary

Evolutionary pressures typically exert over the span of millennia. If they hold their current trajectories, the pressures we are creating will reach species-altering levels within decades. The only way those changes would create evolutionary pressure would be by forcing humanity through a bottleneck.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #20
 
27. What's the one (or, maybe two) thing(s) that humans can do when their species is under pressure?

GliderGuider  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
 
28. Response to evolutionary-scale pressures

Such pressures are far too great for humans to resist directly. Approaches based on simply shifting our activity patterns are unlikely to help, especially in the face of rising technology levels and non-decreasing population. This is the message of I=PAT.

The one thing we can do is to start telling ourselves a different story about our reason for being here and the values that sustain that existence. If we manage to shift our cultural narrative to one that is about being a part of the web of life rather than apart from it, the it will be possible to change our behaviour enough to become part of the solution rather than part of the precipitate.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #28
 
29. Not even with our big brains?

I was thinking that cooperation is one of the things we can do that the other animals don't do. With them it is only about competition.

Okay, this is what the gigantic primitive did at the bonfire discussing the mausoleumed primitive; I have no idea what this silliness is, but it looks like one of those stupid things Fat Che does:

GliderGuider  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 01:33 PM
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12. 48, 69, 2C, 20, 72, 6F, 62, 6F, 74, 21
49, 20, 48, 6F, 70, 65, 20, 79, 6F, 75, 27, 72, 65, 20, 65, 6E, 6A, 6F, 79, 69, 6E, 67, 20, 79, 6F, 75, 72, 20, 6C, 69, 74, 74, 6C, 65, 20, 67, 61, 6D, 65, 21

Gentle Giant  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #12
 
14. One, zero zero one, zero zero one... SOS! One, zero zero one, zero zero one... in distress....

59, 6F, 75, 2C, 20, 74, 6F, 6F, 3F, 20, 20, 53, 65, 65, 6D, 73, 20, 74, 68, 65, 20, 77, 68, 6F, 6C, 65, 20, 6F, 66, 20, 44, 55, 20, 69, 73, 20, 66, 75, 63, 6B, 69, 6E, 67, 20, 73, 69, 63, 6B, 20, 6F, 66, 20, 74, 68, 69, 73, 20, 6F, 6E, 65, 2E, 20, 20, 4C, 4F, 4C

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #14
 
16. Didn't you state you were putting me on 'Ignore'?

Huh. Maybe the 'Ignore' function just resets.

Go figure.

GliderGuider  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #16
 
18. Nope, not me.

I don't have anybody on ignore.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #18
 
23. I don't think you would.

I was referring to the other fellow. He was near starkers a while back in another thread

The gigantic primitive's not only starkers, but he's pretty large, too.

Gentle Giant  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
 
19. I never said I was putting you on ignore.

I put nobody on ignore, and besides, you're way too much fun to even consider doing that.

Also, notice that I wasn't replying to you in the first place. Further note, just for the record, that I have no further intention of replying to you. That's considerably different than ignore.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #19
 
24. Oh. Maybe that was it.

Maybe you said something like you weren't going to reply to me anymore.

Hard to remember exactly....there have been..."so many"....

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #12
 
15. Game?

I'm a member of the Democratic Party and a US citizen.

You appear to be casting characters from abroad.

I do hope I'm not stealing any of your attention - I'm not too big on personality cults myself.

GliderGuider  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
 
17. Well, I can't tell why you're here

You don't appear to be here to teach.
You're not apparently here to learn.
You're not participating in the discussions in any kind of depth.
Your responses are non-responsive.

That means you're playing some kind of game.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #17

25. Teach?

I haven't collected any tuition fees.

But I have learned lots. I always do. 

I think I participate in the discussions to at least the depth of the average DU'er. Certainly more as a matter of fact. A number of the posters appear to be simply drive-by hate mongers who throw something out the window and never come back to clean it up. I can't help that. Other times, maybe I just run out of opinions. A goodly number of posters want to make wild and outrageous statements, and then, when called on it, start trying to evade responsibility by splitting hairs. I'm not interested in one-upsmanship.

Sometimes, it may appear that I am non-responsive, but that's probably because we have failed to establish a solid starting point. Not much use running down the trail if you can't agree on the starting point. I also don't have any interest in working with the posters who revel in their low perception abilities. That's just unrewarding for me and ends up angering them.

Odin2005  (1000+ posts)        Sun Jan-11-09 04:51 PM
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21. Misanthropic crap

You luddites that want us back living like medieval peasants or want humanity wiped out all together disgust me.

GliderGuider  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 05:22 PM
Response to Reply #21
 
22. Thank heavens! I was beginning to think all you guys had changed sides.

I feel much better now.

Citizen Number 9  (878 posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 06:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
 
26. I can understand the desire to go back to a "simpler time"

But, I think our society pretty much allows for that, at least on a "short-term" basis.

I guess the ones we see posting here are the ones who have decided to stay engaged, but it looks like they are a minority interested in forcing a majority over to their way. That's gotta be frustrating. no wonder they are so often abusive and angry.

It seems to me that a more effective solution has always been to set a good example if you want to make headway on issues like that.

So the above's the bonfire where the gigantic primitive alerted on the civic primitive.

I dunno what the gigantic primitive's problem is; the civic primitive seems (seemed) like a nice guy to me.

[JohnnyReb]

"Simpler times"....DUmmie speak for "no one has more than me." ....or works less than me.

[USA4ME]

"Simpler times"....DUmmie speak for "no one has more than me." ....or works less than me.

Yep. They wish for circumstances that completely fight against human nature to better our situation.

It's like if we had a nuclear holocaust and the survivors ended up living in caves again, that they'd just be happy with using rocks and sticks for tools and spears for weapons.  In the eyes of the DUmmies, there's no way the survivors would say "You know, we used to have power tools, and guns, and live in nice houses," and start rebuilding civilization knowing those things are possible.

.

[Carl]

Yep. They wish for circumstances that completely fight against human nature to better our situation.

It's like if we had a nuclear holocaust and the survivors ended up living in caves again, that they'd just be happy with using rocks and sticks for tools and spears for weapons.  In the eyes of the DUmmies, there's no way the survivors would say "You know, we used to have power tools, and guns, and live in nice houses," and start rebuilding civilization knowing those things are possible.

.

I think that their yearning for apocalypse is simply because it would bring all humanity down to their level of existence.
They have no desire to raise themselves up.
Then the playing field would be level in their minds so they could gain power and control.

[Vagabond]

I think that their yearning for apocalypse is simply because it would bring all humanity down to their level of existence.
They have no desire to raise themselves up.
Then the playing field would be level in their minds so they could gain power and control.

The odd thing is how badly and miserably they would fail.  If 50% of the human race just fell over dead tomorrow, I wager there would not be left alive a single DUmmie by March.  The ones who aren't wards of the state have daffy ideas that would just end up getting them killed.

[jukin]

If the shit hit the fan the least useful would be the first to die.

Honestly, I can't think of any more useless than the DUchebags.

[crockspot]

I have two words for those that want to return to simpler times: WHALE OIL.

[thundley4]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=114x53513


Okay, this is what the gigantic primitive did at the bonfire discussing the mausoleumed primitive; I have no idea what this silliness is, but it looks like one of those stupid things Fat Che does:
 

GliderGuider posted :
"12. 48, 69, 2C, 20, 72, 6F, 62, 6F, 74, 21
49, 20, 48, 6F, 70, 65, 20, 79, 6F, 75, 27, 72, 65, 20, 65, 6E, 6A, 6F, 79, 69, 6E, 67, 20, 79, 6F, 75, 72, 20, 6C, 69, 74, 74, 6C, 65, 20, 67, 61, 6D, 65, 21"  translated , it means :"Hi, robot!I Hope you're enjoying your little game!"
Gentle Giant Replied:
"59, 6F, 75, 2C, 20, 74, 6F, 6F, 3F, 20, 20, 53, 65, 65, 6D, 73, 20, 74, 68, 65, 20, 77, 68, 6F, 6C, 65, 20, 6F, 66, 20, 44, 55, 20, 69, 73, 20, 66, 75, 63, 6B, 69, 6E, 67, 20, 73, 69, 63, 6B, 20, 6F, 66, 20, 74, 68, 69, 73, 20, 6F, 6E, 65, 2E, 20, 20, 4C, 4F, 4C " which means: "You, too?  Seems the whole of DU is ****ing sick of this one.  LOL"

[MrsSmith]

leftofthedial  (1000+ posts)      Sun Jan-11-09 01:31 AM
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8. what the world needs now, is a permanent "depression"

we need to ratchet down--forever!--the exploitation of resources and the attempted murder of the planet.

I just love imagining the DUmmies without heat, A/C, welfare checks, public transportation, shrinks...