Obama vows action on deficits, his solution? Cut SS and Medicare. Change! Yay!

[crockspot]

Postman  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-08-09 06:45 AM
Original message

Obama vows action on deficits, his solution? Cut SS and Medicare. Change! Yay!

Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 06:46 AM by Postman
Obama pledged to rein in the government's biggest long-term commitments -- "entitlement spending" such as Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare health insurance for seniors.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_vows_action_with_US_...

....how about cutting the Pentagon Budget by half and increasing Social Spending? **** the Empire building. We can't afford it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4788270

I'm at work, so no time to post DUmmy replies, but the crazy check recipients are coming out of the woodwork!

[franksolich]

As usual, the primitives are fossilized back in the past.

I wonder what the proportion of social spending in the federal budget is, as compared with defense spending.

I think I read somewhere that defense spending is less than 20% of the federal budget.

The primitives are still petrified in the past, the 1950s and 1960s, when defense spending was the major item of the federal budget.

Richard Nixon (1969-1974) was the first president where defense spending became less than half of the federal budget.

So what's cutting the defense budget in half going to do?--get the subway cat an extra fifty cents a month in welfare?

[bijou]

Oh Lordy, what a rich vein of angry and stupid has been uncovered. Great find crockspot.

4MoronicYears (1000+ posts)      Thu Jan-08-09 06:53 AM
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1. That's fine, just give me back all I've paid in, with interest. n/t

opihimoimoi  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jan-08-09 06:54 AM
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4. All I know is he better not **** w my ss monthly chk..all Holy Hell will break loose

tom_paine  (1000+ posts)        Thu Jan-08-09 07:34 AM
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16. No offense, opi, but they aren't afraid of you. They aren't afraid of the American Subject 
 Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 08:08 AM by tom_paine
Populace at ALL.

Please don't take this personally, but when I hear my fellow Americans and myself say those kinds of things, the sad truth is that I can close my eyes and see the Germans of 1933 making those same pronounciations of "resistance until death"...provided no one could hear them saying it.

Sure, due to the nature of BushPutinist Inverted Totalitarianism, we are allowed to spout ineffectually on websites hardly anyone sees, and all it serves to do is generate a Target List for the Bushie Brownshirts, if they ever decide Inverted Totalitarianism is not profitable and that a reversion to Classical Totalitarianism would be more so.

My point is, at this point and until I see otherwise, I am quite convinced that psychologically, the American Subject Populace, upwards of 90% of us are now very VERY similar to the mebtalities of all tyrannized or ensalved people, everywhere. It is just that our tyrants are coddling us (not for much longer, as coddling is becoming unprofitable), because they have been trying to undo the American Revolution for 225 years and we have to be cooed to sleep while they do.

Bottom line, they fear us as much as they fear an army of overfat drooling infants, and quite frankly, they are correct to do so.

If the Bushies, who will likely continue to run America as they did during Clinton, and the Republican/DLC Congress wants to take your SS check, they'll TAKE it. If they deem that they can still make a profit off of things and keep the sheep penned and docile while doing so, they'll do it, no questions asked.

Problem for them is twofold, there are still far too many of us who remember what America once stood for, and we have to grow old and die before the Bushies can make the Final Moves. (Obama will, if he can, fatten us up again for the NEXT Bushie Feast on our Flesh, whether he knows it or not)

Second, the Bushies can make a lot of very large non-white populations disappear from reality, but they can't make upper-middle-class white men disappear from realiy like that...not yet, anyway.

While those two things are still in force, I think your SS is safe. Once those things fail, and by that time you and I will be comfortably dead, THEN what little is left of the Final Mask of Bushie Tyranny will be stripped away, though as I said they are already just about stripped to their Nazi Core already, to anyone with any Critical Thinking Skills left (which is to say less than 10% of the American Subject Populace, I would guess)

And while may language may sound as if I am certain these things will come to pass, I am not. But the signs that it will are very bad indeed.

Is Obama just another Bushie Placeholder? Starting to look like it, but we cannot be sure for at least a year.

So my tone of post is not certainty but shock, surprise, horror, and worry that we have been had again, though in truth what this will mean is that my original opinion of Obama as correct, before I was marketed to very savvily.

I want to be wrong, but it doesn't look good.

RC  (1000+ posts)      Thu Jan-08-09 07:02 AM
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7. I thought we elected a Democrat, not another repug?
 "As a percentage of gross domestic product, the deficit is on course to reach its highest level since World War II. The CBO said the economy was reeling from a slump in tax revenues allied to higher spending on social safety nets.

The year-old recession will "last well into 2009," it said, which would make it the longest US contraction since the war.

Obama pledged to rein in the government's biggest long-term commitments -- "entitlement spending" such as Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare health insurance for seniors."

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Can someone explain to me what part of this is the "Change" Obama was elected for?Nothing about reining in the expense of killing brown people. Instead we get the new boss the same as the old boss here.

[USA4ME]

Postman

Obama vows action on deficits, his solution? Cut SS and Medicare. Change! Yay!

Obama pledged to rein in the government's biggest long-term commitments -- "entitlement spending" such as Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare health insurance for seniors.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Obama_vows_action_with_US_...

....how about cutting the Pentagon Budget by half and increasing Social Spending? **** the Empire building. We can't afford it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4788270&mesg_id=4788270

4MoronicYears

That's fine, just give me back all I've paid in, with interest.

I'd like that now, anyway.

EnviroBat

If they pull this shit, they can forget ever seeing another dime of student loan money from me.

As though you've paid a dime to date. 

HypnoToad

That is fair. They can keep their contribution, we just want they money we contributed back.

Without the penalty.

Once again, I'd like mine back anyway.

Le Taz Hot

Which was the entire reason de-regulation was allowed and the economy was encouraged to tank -- so the baby boomers, who have contributed into SS their entire lives and who were assured time and again that SS would be there, would be denied their benefits. This is not difficult to figure out. I'm just so tickled that President Change was elected as opposed to that other guy. He's been such a breath of fresh air.

The primitives are getting restless.

and-justice-for-all

I saw that on the news yesterday and was dumbfounded...

who in the **** is he listening too??!! and WHY?

opihimoimoi
 
All I know is he better not **** w my ss monthly chk..all Holy Hell will break loose

Yeah.  You might log onto the DUmp and write about it. That'll teach him.

tom_paine

No offense, opi, but they aren't afraid of you. They aren't afraid of the American Subject 

Populace at ALL.

Please don't take this personally, but when I hear my fellow Americans and myself say those kinds of things, the sad truth is that I can close my eyes and see the Germans of 1933 making those same pronounciations of "resistance until death"...provided no one could hear them saying it.

Sure, due to the nature of BushPutinist Inverted Totalitarianism, we are allowed to spout ineffectually on websites hardly anyone sees, and all it serves to do is generate a Target List for the Bushie Brownshirts, if they ever decide Inverted Totalitarianism is not profitable and that a reversion to Classical Totalitarianism would be more so.

My point is, at this point and until I see otherwise, I am quite convinced that psychologically, the American Subject Populace, upwards of 90% of us are now very VERY similar to the mebtalities of all tyrannized or ensalved people, everywhere. It is just that our tyrants are coddling us (not for much longer, as coddling is becoming unprofitable), because they have been trying to undo the American Revolution for 225 years and we have to be cooed to sleep while they do.

Bottom line, they fear us as much as they fear an army of overfat drooling infants, and quite frankly, they are correct to do so.

If the Bushies, who will likely continue to run America as they did during Clinton, and the Republican/DLC Congress wants to take your SS check, they'll TAKE it. If they deem that they can still make a profit off of things and keep the sheep penned and docile while doing so, they'll do it, no questions asked.

Problem for them is twofold, there are still far too many of us who remember what America once stood for, and we have to grow old and die before the Bushies can make the Final Moves. (Obama will, if he can, fatten us up again for the NEXT Bushie Feast on our Flesh, whether he knows it or not)

Second, the Bushies can make a lot of very large non-white populations disappear from reality, but they can't make upper-middle-class white men disappear from realiy like that...not yet, anyway.

While those two things are still in force, I think your SS is safe. Once those things fail, and by that time you and I will be comfortably dead, THEN what little is left of the Final Mask of Bushie Tyranny will be stripped away, though as I said they are already just about stripped to their Nazi Core already, to anyone with any Critical Thinking Skills left (which is to say less than 10% of the American Subject Populace, I would guess)

And while may language may sound as if I am certain these things will come to pass, I am not. But the signs that it will are very bad indeed.

Is Obama just another Bushie Placeholder? Starting to look like it, but we cannot be sure for at least a year.

So my tone of post is not certainty but shock, surprise, horror, and worry that we have been had again, though in truth what this will mean is that my original opinion of Obama as correct, before I was marketed to very savvily.

I want to be wrong, but it doesn't look good.

"the sad truth is that I can close my eyes and see the Germans of 1933"

This primitive has had his eyes closed for decades now, and I have no doubt he sees Nazis in his dreams.

"If the Bushies, who will likely continue to run America as they did during Clinton"

What a paranoid kook!  Il Duce hasn't even been in office to screw up and already they're blaming his failures on Bush.

He used the term "Bushie" 7 times.  Hey tp, you're slipping.

eShirl
 
what's next? privatization?

RC

I thought we elected a Democrat, not another repug?

"As a percentage of gross domestic product, the deficit is on course to reach its highest level since World War II. The CBO said the economy was reeling from a slump in tax revenues allied to higher spending on social safety nets.

The year-old recession will "last well into 2009," it said, which would make it the longest US contraction since the war.

Obama pledged to rein in the government's biggest long-term commitments -- "entitlement spending" such as Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare health insurance for seniors."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Can someone explain to me what part of this is the "Change" Obama was elected for?
Nothing about reining in the expense of killing brown people. Instead we get the new boss the same as the old boss here.

tom_paine

The SS Trust Fund was built up so that Rich Bushie could later steal it. 

Raygun was a befuddled old Alzheimer's-riddled-Bushie Puppet, so one would expect that HIS acts WERE Bushie Acts. And we now KNOW that every and I mean EVERY action the Bushlers took to "help" is actually a massive monetray fraud designed to loot the peasants or achieve Bushie Political Goals bought with buckets of innocent blood.

Why did we EVER think the 401(k) was anything BUT an ATM for the Bushies?

Wanna know why? Because we and I mean ALL of us including me, are the generation of Americans that least deserves freedom to have ever lived. We are fat, lazy, arrogant, ignorant, unable to think in anything besides Cable Tv Infoganda, and deathly afraid of the smallest discomfort, which is perhaps the characteristsic the Bushies LOVE because such people, as we now know PERSONALLY, can be abused infinitely with no consequences to the perpetrators.

You think the Bushies having to do the Clinton and mostly control t he nation while out of power is a problem for them? Obama's walking happily right into their jaws in the customary way. He'll be allowed to fix the economy, after all, we are being fattened for the next round of Bushie Vampirism., just like during Clinton.

We didn't deserve freedom, and now it turns out we neevr really had it, and if we did, the last REAL whiffs are gone. We are free as any well-treated prisoner, so long as we DO NOT test the bars of our comfortable cage.

And yes, whether he knows it or not, it looks like Obama is going to help them out with that and lots of other things, like burying any invetsigations into Bushie Felonies or Treasons "for the good of the country".

Wow, do I ever want to be wrong about this, but the pre-inaugural activities and pronuncement has convinced it is a HIGH PROBABILITY.

Go kiss Billy Kristol's ass some more, President Change, 'cause THAT's what your consitutency wants.

 

Honestly, this nut is one of the best drama queens at the DUmp.

More......

tom_paine
 
Nothing but Change Change CHANGE from President Change. 

Let it be noted that this is the FIRST time I have derrogated Obama. Hell, I worked my ass of for him!

But I know what I see. And what I se is that Obama is doing the Big-Dog Clinton, and yeah, mayeb they ARE both run by the Bushies, whether they knew it or not.

Unappetizing thought, but what's the credible alternative hypothesis?

Best I've yet heard is that we will all be stunned by The Super-Double-Secret-Probation Obama Plan that Obama had in store that is going to magically turn all Bushies into Hippies.

In other words, the "best" alternative hypothesis started our at implausible and is now on it's way to looking as ludicrous as the belief in Keep The Powder Dry.

jumptheshadow
 
Entitlement?

I've been paying into the system for 41 years! There damn well should be retirement funds there for me, and they are no "entitlement!"

EOTE
 
Seriously! That really pisses me off.

If you pay for something, you sure as hell are 'entitled' to receive it. And if you don't, you're 'entitled' to raise holy hell about it.

redqueen
 
Yes, they are an entitlement. 

That's what entitlement means in this context - a guaranteed benefit that you're entitled to receive.

The right-wing noise machine has apparently been more successful with this muddling of terms (conflating the economic / legal term with the psychological synonym) than they have been with their efforts to define 'global warming' as a literal term.

The DUmmies have been telling us for years that SS is an insurance program that is there so we could show care and compassion for others, and that money paid to the gov't isn't ours, but it belongs to all the people.  Now they want to line up at the trough because that money is really there's, and they want it back.

More drama from tom...

tom_paine
 
Now now now, Obama seeems to understand that Rich Bushies are NEVER RESPONSIBLE. 

Don't you watch your Cable TV Infoganda? Sure looks like President Change watches and INTERNALIZES the Busho-Corporate Frame.

I want to be wrong, and maybe this is all just a M$M-Bushie Joint PSYOP (possible, we now know...and ZERO stretch of the imagination) to kill Obama's support among his base.

But I think the fact that he and virtually ALL our Democratic Leadership 100% BELIEVE that Cable TV Infoganda gives them a 100% ACCURATE view of the country, when it's quite an unreal, Orwellian Circus of nonsense that EXCLUDES the thoughts and ideas of the bottom 99.9%, and destroys the Critical Thinking capacities as surely as a lobotomy.

President Change is just doing what they pretty much all do (with a handful of notable exceptions, including loveable yet patriotic and unbought wacko Ron Paul), which is obey the TV.

Come to think of it, aren't those three words so significant to the Modern American Mind that our entire Constsiution should be erased, since it has been rendered meaningless in an number of way by our Rulers, and replaced with Three Words.

The Bushian Constitution

Article 1. Obey the TV.

That's it. It's all we need. You think the nation would notice if that change was made? I guess I am joking here, but only half-joking.

leftchick

this makes me sick literally. WTF? NO MENTION OF CUTTING THE BLOATED AND WASTEFUL MILITARY SPENDING?   

shadowknows69

If true then I'm truly ****ed

Might as well put a bullet in my head and save father time the trouble of killing me.

Best idea you've ever expressed.

.

[BlueStateSaint]

The "change" he promised will be all that's left once he gets done with the budget . . .

[bijou]

Crockspot beat you to it by a few minutes.

[Chris_]

From the mouths of babes:

Bottom line, they fear us as much as they fear an army of overfat drooling infants, and quite frankly, they are correct to do so.

[Chris]

*ahem*


(http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2008/pdf/08msr.pdf)

[DumbAss Tanker]

I'm not positive about its current proportion, though I do recall reading that Defense is one of the five sectors that accounts for the vast majority of the Federal budget, and is not the largest of them.  The VA budget is separate from DOD, but military retired pay and benefits are part of the DOD budget (social spendingof a sort itself, but social spending of which I highly approve), once the social spending component of DOD's budget is deducted, the 'real' amount of defense we are currently buying may well be in the 20-25% range.

Update -- The official version is Defense - 20%, Social Security - 21%.  Some idiots strongly disagree and want to make almost everything Defense:    War resister idiots

[USA4ME]

Crockspot beat you to it by a few minutes.

Curse that crockspot!!  He should be working and not messing around. 

My friend Crock gets a ^5 for posting it first.

.

[Rebel]

higher class  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-08-09 07:30 AM
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15. The reason we're broke is that money was stolen from us and the rich and
   
corporations are riding on our backs. That's where to start fixng things.

Don't dump on the people who have already been dumped on. Correct the course and source of the deficits. It ain't us.

How? How in the **** was money stole from you by the "rich" and the corporations? Would it be too much to ask to get ONE f'n DUmbass to explain that to me?

[DumbAss Tanker]

tom_paine

Sure, due to the nature of BushPutinist Inverted Totalitarianism, we are allowed to spout ineffectually on websites hardly anyone sees, and all it serves to do is generate a Target List for the Bushie Brownshirts, if they ever decide Inverted Totalitarianism is not profitable and that a reversion to Classical Totalitarianism would be more so.

Hey, those would be OBAMITE Brownshirts, numbnuts!  Welcome to this year!

 

[Zeus]

OUTLAYS BY FUNCTION
Outlays occur when the Government pays its obligations, whether with cash, check or electronic funds transfer. Total outlays were $2,978.4 billion in fiscal 2008 an increase of $249.2 billion or 9.1 percent over the amount from fiscal 2007. The text below shows how outlays were divided in fiscal 2008. The seven largest categories of outlays are detailed below. These seven categories correspond directly to the Government’s functional classification system.


The functional classification system groups Government activities—budget authority and outlays, loan guarantees and tax expenditures—into categories that reflect the national need addressed by each transaction. The system identifies 17 broad categories that address national needs. This provides a coherent and comprehensive basis for analyzing and understanding the budget. Two additional categories—interest and undistributed offsetting receipts—do not address specific national needs but are included to cover the entire budget.Under the functional classification system, each outlay is assigned to a classification that best defines its most important purpose, even though the outlay may serve more than one purpose.

Income security.................................................. 15%
Medicare.............................................................13%
Social security.....................................................21 %
Education, training,employment and social services 3%
Other.................................................................10%
Health..................................................................9%
Interest................................................................8%
National defense..................................................21 %

http://www.fms.treas.gov/annualreport/cs2008/outlay.pdf

[Carl]

Postman  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Jan-08-09 06:45 AM
Original message

Obama vows action on deficits, his solution? Cut SS and Medicare. Change! Yay!

Edited on Thu Jan-08-09 06:46 AM by Postman
Obama pledged to rein in the government's biggest long-term commitments -- "entitlement spending" such as Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare health insurance for seniors.

http://rawstory.com/news/...bama_vows_action_with_US_...

....how about cutting the Pentagon Budget by half and increasing Social Spending? **** the Empire building. We can't afford it.

Guess what DUmbass...if that was ever seriously proposed it would mean our umbrella over Europe would be gone.
You would discover in a nanosecond that the USA trashing from eurosocialist politicians amounts to the same as the words of the left here do.
Lies to get support and nothing more.

They would be in a panic begging us not to pull out our bases and presence all the while looking over one shoulder at the islamists and Putin over the other.

[Zeus]

Guess what DUmbass...if that was ever seriously proposed it would mean our umbrella over Europe would be gone.
You would discover in a nanosecond that the USA trashing from eurosocialist politicians amounts to the same as the words of the left here do.
Lies to get support and nothing more.

They would be in a panic begging us not to pull out our bases and presence all the while looking over one shoulder at the islamists and Putin over the other.

Back in the Early 80's The US military in Germany had a NEO evacuation drill. Problem was the German Authorities weren't informed or they neglected to inform the german Population. The locals saw all the Americans pulling up stakes to head out and figured hell if the Americans are leaving they weren't about to stick around. Talk about a Cluster&*^#.

Heard it was the first time that traffic on the autobahn was so heavy it came to a standstill.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Sadly, by the mid-90s, the 5- to 15-kilometer "Stau" (Stall, or traffic jam) was the norm on the autobahns, except for weekends when the trucks all disappeared (the one good feature of pervasive unionism).