why should I pay for anything *you* get?

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ulysses  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 12:21 AM
Original message
why should I pay for anything *you* get?
In the education forum, someone asked recently (to the accompaniment of pretty cartoons) why they should pay for my child's education.

One should be gentle with libertarians, I reminded myself, for they don't know shit from shinola. Still, it brought to mind the fact that this is Poverty in America Awareness Month. These are, of course, closely linked ideas: educate all, provide for all.

The answer, of course, is that you should bear your part of the burden of educating all of our children ("I'm paying for your kid's education!" being nothing but useless rightwing boilerplate) because you don't want to find yourself, in your ****ing dotage, living in a ****ing developing nation in which you have to scrounge for your next meal because no one else around you has the *******ed wherewithal to feed your old ass.

And yet, there are those who do scrounge. Right here.

Why *should* I pay for anything you get?

Because it's the human *******ed thing to do. Because it's ****ing stupid not to do so. That's why.

I can't pretend to some ascetic perfection. I live in a comfortable home. What I spend on books could feed and educate a couple of folks anyway.

I'm ok, as are my wife and son, and I work hard. Why should I pay for anything *you* get?

Because I'm not a ****ing idiot. I don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal to understand that it's in my own best interest to not have my fellows hungry or homeless. Or uneducated.

quantessd  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jan-05-09 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
12. Libertarians would do well as anarchists.
 Even better, libertarians would feel right at home in a Mad Max movie, toothless, wearing leather rags and firing homemade weapons, stealing gasoline for their frankenstein muscle cars.


(Max Max: Mel Gibson films from the 1980s, in case you are too young to remember)

mopinko  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
90. libertarianism is a fine intellectual exercise
 it just doesn't actually work in the real world. i think they should be barred from holding any sort of office. i mean, by definition, they don't know what they are doing.

Unlike Liberalism which of course has an unbroken string of successes since it's inception...

JeffR  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 12:30 AM
Response to Original message
7. Just checked into DU and saw this first
 and I have to say: Bravo!

While most on the left long ago recognized the neocon agenda for the treason it is, some still stubbornly cling to the untenable rugged pseudo-individualist libertarian notion that we don't live in a collective society. The health of society ultimately depends much more on what we do for each other than what we do for ourselves as individuals. Libertarians are slow learners, I guess, in some contrast to Republicans, who have never learned a single *******ed thing

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 01:06 AM
Response to Original message
26. if you don't want to pay for what
 Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 01:11 AM by undergroundpanther
others get, you are a selfish asshole.Because why on earth did humans even bother to form a society and learn to share and to negotiate if we didn't learn that together we all lived better.And we live better because we SHARED the fruits of all our labors together.


( As for"society" I'm not including any robber baron parasites or their descendants out there so deluded they believe they earned what they were born into,the kinds of parasites libertarians fawn over that ruin every culture they touch with their own insatiable greed..)

Drop that "libertarian individual" off isolated far away from any other people.
Let him profit from his own labors,all alone than. If he doesn't want to share,why should humanity share anything with him?
Stupid ****ing libertarians,irritating children in adult suits they are.

cherokeeprogressive  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #26
33. "descendants out there so deluded they believe they earned what they were born into" 
 Does that include the Kennedys?

Two Americas (1000+ posts)      Mon Jan-05-09 03:15 AM
Response to Reply #33
53. why would you say that?
 Obviously, the Kennedy family has many members who are not so deluded that they believe they earned what they were born into, and who have dedicated their lives to public service and advocacy for the have-nots. So why would you say that?
 

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #33
55. The Kennedys
 don't brag all day about how wonderful they are because of how rich they are do they? No..Do they fail to share and fight for the poor?No..
If they are really arrogant rich parasites they do deserve my hate, but as far as I know they aren't arrogant,and they do share some,and they do speak up for the rights of those with less.Wish it was LOUDER and had more teeth tho..

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 01:06 AM
Response to Original message
26. if you don't want to pay for what
 Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 01:11 AM by undergroundpanther
others get, you are a selfish asshole.Because why on earth did humans even bother to form a society and learn to share and to negotiate if we didn't learn that together we all lived better.And we live better because we SHARED the fruits of all our labors together.


( As for"society" I'm not including any robber baron parasites or their descendants out there so deluded they believe they earned what they were born into,the kinds of parasites libertarians fawn over that ruin every culture they touch with their own insatiable greed..)

Drop that "libertarian individual" off isolated far away from any other people.
Let him profit from his own labors,all alone than. If he doesn't want to share,why should humanity share anything with him?
Stupid ****ing libertarians,irritating children in adult suits they are.

Says the woman who believes she is actually a male cat!

[asdf2231]

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Raksha  (1000+ posts)      Mon Jan-05-09 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #38
43. You just attacked one of the most creative thinkers on DU
 for no reason whatsoever--at least none that I know about. Most regulars on forum this would disagree with you that undergroundpanther "contributes absolutely nothing to society." Unless of course you see all "contributions" as strictly monetary contributions, and determine people's worth in dollars. I'm sure you'd make a similar assessment of me if you knew anything about my circumstances.

That was really over the top. If you have some kind of a grudge you should have dealt with it via PM.

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 03:44 AM
Response to Reply #52
60. What do you expect from a libertarian
 twit? Intelligence? Compassion? Nahh they are bitter little children and they prove it everyday with posts insulting other DU'ers and clamoring I am some kind of malingerer because I don't accept the libertarian stupidity.There are a few twits on here that know I get SSI and seek every opportunity to find a way to belittle me over it . I don't care what anyone thinks really..I'll post what I post.If they don't like it they can put me on ignore.But for some neurotic reason they CAN'T do that.


So.. Either a they wish they were superior to me but they aren't
or they are jealous of me for some reason I can't figure out..

I don't know of many people who'd be jealous of my life.I get 650 bucks a month .I have been in psych wards for a chunk of time,I cannot drive, I got Depression PSTD and nerves with the myelin sheaths being destroyed more each day,and bone spurs all over my spine,making my x-rays look like an alien's,including one huge spur that could if my throat swells too much from strep or whatever could cut into my esophagus and cause me to bleed and kill me in around 30 seconds..and the spurs also cause my arms to ache and my hands to drop things unexpectedly.So I take meds to try to cope with the emotional fallout of growing up in a very violent home and school and the abuses in the psych wards,to the spine damage I have and the pain that never stops. I still go out,and fight the ****ing mental health boards and the state for psych survivor rights to be treated with dignity like other human beings get by default..

ooh my life is just too good for that asshole huh?

I am crazy and I am PROUD of my differences.But that does not mean I do not have a mind and know how to use it. Normal is a fantasy. It does not exist except in the minds of people who like to pretend they are elites.Those are the arrogant,and they are the only ones who scream about the importance of social rank and who deserves ..for without the who deserves who would they be? No one in particular...just like everybody else.

Oh FFS...

 
 

[PatriotGame]

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 01:06 AM
Response to Original message
26. if you don't want to pay for what
 Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 01:11 AM by undergroundpanther
others get, you are a selfish asshole.Because why on earth did humans even bother to form a society and learn to share and to negotiate if we didn't learn that together we all lived better.And we live better because we SHARED the fruits of all our labors together.

Sorry freakazoid, I have ZERO intention of sharing my hard earned money with you for your pimpled tranny ass psychosis OR your out of date cans of tuna.

[Carl]

They believe that folks who in their opinion have more then they do should be the ones paying...not them.
They can say whatever they want but is always clear they feeel they deserve to be on the consumption side not the provider side.

[DumbAss Tanker]

undergroundpanther  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 03:24 AM
Response to Reply #33
55. The Kennedys
 don't brag all day about how wonderful they are because of how rich they are do they? No..Do they fail to share and fight for the poor?

They don't need to.  That job's already been spoken for by our MSM.

 

[USA4ME]

Raksha

You just attacked one of the most creative thinkers on DU for no reason whatsoever--at least none that I know about. Most regulars on forum this would disagree with you that undergroundpanther .....

UGP "one of the most creative thinkers on DU?"  I suppose if the highest standard of creative thinking is lunacy, then your observation just scored a 100.

.

[JohnnyReb]

UGP "one of the most creative thinkers on DU?"  I suppose if the highest standard of creative thinking is lunacy, then your observation just scored a 100.

.

If UGP were to ever escape the DUmp compound, I believe she would singlehanded wreck the democratic party.......BOY! If people only knew what kind of freaks Skinner keeps penned up at the DUmp.

[LC EFA]

ulysses  (1000+ posts)        Mon Jan-05-09 12:21 AM
Original message
why should I pay for anything *you* get?
In the education forum, someone asked recently (to the accompaniment of pretty cartoons) why they should pay for my child's education.

One should be gentle with libertarians, I reminded myself, for they don't know shit from shinola. Still, it brought to mind the fact that this is Poverty in America Awareness Month. These are, of course, closely linked ideas: educate all, provide for all.

The answer, of course, is that you should bear your part of the burden of educating all of our children ("I'm paying for your kid's education!" being nothing but useless rightwing boilerplate) because you don't want to find yourself, in your ****ing dotage, living in a ****ing developing nation in which you have to scrounge for your next meal because no one else around you has the *******ed wherewithal to feed your old ass.

<snip>

Excuse me DUmmie, but I don't want or expect anyone to financially support me in my dotage except myself.

Live within your means and invest wisely throughout your life and you too can have this ability.

[jukin]

The DUchebags should check out all the estate and income taxes the Kennedy's pay.

[MrsSmith]

I get 650 bucks a month .I have been in psych wards for a chunk of time,I cannot drive, I got Depression PSTD and nerves with the myelin sheaths being destroyed more each day,and bone spurs all over my spine,making my x-rays look like an alien's,including one huge spur that could if my throat swells too much from strep or whatever could cut into my esophagus and cause me to bleed and kill me in around 30 seconds..and the spurs also cause my arms to ache and my hands to drop things unexpectedly.So I take meds to try to cope with the emotional fallout of growing up in a very violent home and school and the abuses in the psych wards,to the spine damage I have and the pain that never stops. I still go out,and fight the ******* mental health boards and the state for psych survivor rights to be treated with dignity like other human beings get by default..

Either a they wish they were superior to me but they aren't
or they are jealous of me for some reason I can't figure out..

I don't know of many people who'd be jealous of my life.

Jealous??      Yeah, UP, comfort yourself in the thought that we're all terribly jealous.  I actually hope it helps.