churches ordered to not house homeless; primitives indignant

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=230x3844

Oh my.

enufalready  (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-23-08 07:59 AM
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NY City orders churches not to shelter homeless 

This is all over Canadian news, can't find much about it on US news sites yet.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2008/11/22/7501101-ap...

"Twenty-two New York City churches have been ordered by the city to stop providing shelter to the homeless.

With temperatures below freezing Saturday, the churches had to follow a city rule requiring faith-based shelters to be open at least five days a week or not at all."

BerryBush  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 08:23 AM
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1. Isaiah 58:7

"Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry; And bring the homeless poor into the house; When you see the naked, to cover him; And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?"

How are they supposed to obey this directive and keep to their mission?

And guess who shows up.

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-26-08 03:52 PM
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18. I guess Civil Disobedience would be the only answer to that....

And, why is it only CHARITY that we seem to have an interest in?

tsuki  (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-23-08 08:25 AM
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2. Do the "faith-based shelters" open receive money on the number of beds filled from the city?

Cassandra  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 08:26 AM
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3. There's nothing in the Times about it.

And their headline is kind of inflammatory. Clearly, the churches cited don't have the staff to manage their programs and the city doesn't want to direct the homeless there but to other places. I'm wondering if the RW is going to seize on this and scream about the WAR on CHRISTMAS or Godless liberals or something.

liberal N proud  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 08:30 AM
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4. That sounds just a little fascist

Not allowed to take care of those in need.

Next they will deny anyone from feeding the hungary.

in search of sanity  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 08:43 AM
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5. Daily News has an article on it

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2008/11/21/2008-11-...

We're having a terrible cold spell here. Yesterday, the high was only 32. It dropped into the 20s Friday and Saturday night.

I stopped into a couple of churches yesterday and saw many people sitting in them.

I wonder how many were homeless, just looking for a place to keep warm.

no_hypocrisy  (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-23-08 08:59 AM
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6. Isn't that interference by the state into church affairs and programs?

USA_1 (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-23-08 09:02 AM
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7. Yes it is!!!

The government has no business telling those churches what to do.

LiberalFighter  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 09:35 AM
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9. They do if they were to receive government funding.

no_hypocrisy  (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-23-08 09:53 AM
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11. I'm not so sure. For example, the Catholic charities receive gov't funding and are allowed to discriminate on hiring Catholics only by way of protection of the Church's right to determine what is best for the Church.

Oh, I don't think so, but I'll let it pass.

yy4me  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 09:11 AM
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8. Along with almost everything else, have we also lost our compassion? What a sad world. We make the rich richer and let the poor starve or freeze.

Most of us do what we can to help but the state prevails in this, I guess.

I am becoming so negative against all things governmental. Where is the sense of compassion and caring? AND why is the state involved in this church decision?

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 01:22 PM
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13. Yes, indeed. And where are the "progressives" with demanding adequate low-income housing for everyone?

Do you hear about this on Olbermann, or Maddow? Do you read about it in the "progressive" blogs and magazines?

Do we speak much about it on DU?

NO..... so we really can't complain that much about the RW, can we?

WE MUST SET THE TONE.

If WE can't care enough to demand adequate low-income housing, then we can't complain about the lack of compassion for shelters.

It's that simple.

MineralMan  (803 posts)      Sun Nov-23-08 09:40 AM
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10. Those churches should tell the city to go have intercourse with itself. Churches may operate as they choose and can simply say that these homeless are simply worshippers, attending overnight services. The city will have no legal way to obstruct the practice.

dmordue  (1000+ posts)     Sun Nov-23-08 09:57 AM
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12. Closed down because they are required to be open 5 days a week with volunteers running the shelters at churches they usually are not open 5 days a week and the city shut them down because of it. I think 4 days is better than none.

maryf  (692 posts)        Sun Nov-23-08 05:15 PM
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14. Horrific 

Quotes from the article clearly states the degree of bs and doublespeak the city is spouting:

"Patrick Markee of the Coalition for the Homeless non-profit advocacy group disputed the city figures showing an increase in beds. He said the city proposes to close down drop-in shelters overnight.

"That's a net loss," he said.

"However you cut it, there will be less shelter for the street homeless at a time when the economic downturn is causing more homelessness."

Janik said drop-in centres provide only "folding chairs," not beds.

"That's unacceptable and we think there are better programs and ways," she said."

How many have tried to sleep in folding chairs??

enufalready  (1000+ posts)      Sun Nov-23-08 07:03 PM
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15. Yes, thank you for bringing those points to the fore. I figured all I could do with the quote limit was to show this article, FROM THE AP, around and hope more people get a chance to read it. And think about it.

bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-26-08 03:51 PM
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17. Where is the "progressive" press and media on this???

sarcasmo  (1000+ posts)        Sat Dec-20-08 04:26 PM
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16. This is such a sad story.

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[djones520]

These people are so damn confused.  One second their screaming about how horrible and evil churches are, and the next their screaming about something like this.

I'm actually suprised they wheren't happy about this.  Now those poor homeless people don't need to worry about being indoctrinated by those damn fundies.   /sarcasm

[Carl]

These people are so damn confused.  One second their screaming about how horrible and evil churches are, and the next their screaming about something like this.

I'm actually suprised they wheren't happy about this.  Now those poor homeless people don't need to worry about being indoctrinated by those damn fundies.   /sarcasm

Yeah what the???

It just proves that in the mind of a lib there are no core beliefs except for that there is always something to whine about and that someone else should be fixing it at someone elses expense.

[Chris_]

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bobbolink  (1000+ posts)        Fri Dec-26-08 03:51 PM
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17. Where is the "progressive" press and media on this???

Indeed - considering New York is almost as Republican as Massachusetts, you would think that progressive activists would be all over the fascist rethugs who would do this to victims of Da Man...Oh wait....

[thundley4]

The decision will leave hundreds without anywhere to sleep, said Arnold Cohen, head of the Partnership for the Homeless, a nonprofit that serves as a link between the city and shelters.

"We know the people who go to churches are people who do not go to the large city shelters," Cohen said, noting that the large shelters make some "feel like [they're in] medium-security prisons."

But the DHS said there was plenty of space at other shelters to make up for the beds lost in the churches.

And with temperatures plummeting last night, the city sent out three dozen outreach teams to help people find warm places to stay.

DHS spokeswoman Heather Janik said the capacity at four new city shelters exceeded that lost by the closed church shelters.

Bottom of the article.

This almost sounds like the Homeless Department is trying to justify their expenditures of building new shelters.  Not to mention, by forcing people into city CONTROLLED shelters, they can also better control the people they "help".

[USA4ME]

The bobbling primitive still hasn't figured out that he's nothing more than the DUmp's house pet to be patted on the head and thrown a bone from time to time.  So sad.

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[Zeus]

I recall this issue being discussed awhile back. The City of New York put out the no help for the homeless decree because they felt they were loosing to much in State and federal aid if Churches and other faith based organizations were getting the job done. Keep in mind in Liberalism it's not about positive results it is about money & power.

[Vagabond]

I recall this issue being discussed awhile back. The City of New York put out the no help for the homeless decree because they felt they were loosing to much in State and federal aid if Churches and other faith based organizations were getting the job done. Keep in mind in Liberalism it's not about positive results it is about money & power.

Yep, that is the root of all of their supposed compassion, that ability to control others.

[jukin]

Once again proving that leftist concepts of government control are hardest on the ones said programs are intended to help.