http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4672891Oh my.
Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:33 PM
Original message
Is this a phase, or is this "it" for the whole term?
Will it get better once policy decisions are being made, and things are improving in real life? Will this be a phase, or will DU become a site that is primarily for hating Obama's decisions? I don't mean criticizing some of them but for every single one to be beaten into the ground. That's what it has felt like since the afterglow wore off.
I understand the criticism for the picks for cabinet and for the inaugural, but it just seems like this place is about 85% negative now, and just not exactly pleasant to hang in anymore. I hope it's just a phase. I am starting to miss the days when the majority of barbs were directed at our opposition.
babylonsister (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:36 PM
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1. "Is that all there is?"
Nah, I think 'this' is a bunch of people scrutinizing every last decision made at the moment and voicing their opinion.
When Obama and his admin start getting into the 'meat' of what needs to be done, it will either be great or not enough. The scrutiny will continue.
"That's what it's all about."
anndash (29 posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:38 PM
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2. His choice of Warren just put a cloud over his inauguration which should have been a beacon of hope for the future of our country. Instead, a bigoted religious fanatic will share the stage with the first black president. It is utterly disgusting.
By the way, I'm curious about something.
Has anybody in real life, anybody who really counts, connected with 0bama and the impending 0bamareich, protested against this choice of some obscure California minister?
Yes, yes, the gays on the internet have, but they don't count.
I'm talking about people who count.
Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Actually, there has been mostly negativity since he began cabinet picks.
Everything he does is wrong if DU is your sole source of info. This didn't begin with Warren. I understand the justified anger about Warren. I don't like him either, but I think it's less important than actual policy-making. But every pick Obama has made seems to get panned by most of the posters. It's tiring.
anndash (29 posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
9. Actually, I don't have a problem with the Cabinet because I believe Obama will be "in charge" and it remains to be seen what the consequences of his picks will be there. However, choosing a bigoted, hateful, religious fanatic to make history with you on the same stage at such an historical moment is nauseating - to me- and many others who tried to forgive him for kissing Lieberman's butt. Too much butt kissing ruins the image I have of "change."
readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #5
10. Please point out something he's done right.
I like his idea for a vast jobs program. Unfortunately, I don't trust him not to make it "more centrist" by privatizing the program and creating $8 an hour non-union jobs for contractor middlemen who get all the tax money.
Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. I guess you answered my question.
If you can't pick one thing you think he's done right since winning, then I doubt you ever will throughout his term(s).
Bravehammer (11 posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:40 PM
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3. Is there a positive spin to put on this decision?
Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. That's not my point.
Welcome to DU!
It's just kind of a next-to-the-last-straw feeling... every single decision seems to be met with extreme negativity since the cabinets picks started coming out. I guess I just finally got tired of it today, but that in no way is meant to indicate approval of Warren as a pick. I just wish there were more posts about good things going on (Jackeens' photo posts seem to be about all there is lately).
gristy (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:43 PM
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4. What % negative was it yesterday?
82%? I don't think so. Reading your post, it appears you think that DU is negative against Obama all the time and has been for a while. I disagree. It was only yesterday that the majority of barbs were indeed directed at our opposition.
This Warren pick is a BIG DEAL.
The grisly primitive needs to get out more.
It's only a "big deal" with gays on the internet; in real life, real people don't give a shit.
silverojo (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-17-08 11:45 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. Then you haven't been paying attention
There's been a LOT of complaining about the cabinet picks.
Chovexani (1000+ posts) Thu Dec-18-08 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #7
21. Do you even know wtf you're talking about?
DU was founded in January of '01 as a place of refuge on the net for Dems who hated the status quo, to work/vent against Bush.
The only group you listed that was not here from Day One was the Paultard demographic. This site has NEVER been about propping up Dems with no criticism whatsoever. The only reason we have that rule against bad mouthing the nominee was because of the psycho Dean fans in 04 losing their shit in every Kerry thread once it was clear he would be the nominee.
The ONLY thing that has always been against the rules in terms of slamming Dems is actively working against the party, ie telling people to vote for Nader, etc. Those anarchists, Naderites, etc were perfectly welcome here as long as they followed that rule, and many have been fine members of this community for years.
