http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4656808Oh my again.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 03:18 PM
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Food as a weapon
…There are only two possible ways in which a world of 10 billion people can be averted. Either the current birth rates must come down more quickly. Or the current death rates must go up. There is no other way. There are, of course, many ways in which the death rates can go up.
after which the subway cat puts considerable effort and time into copying-and-pasting articles and links
MadHound (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 03:24 PM
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1. That is why it's more important than ever to get to know where your food comes from
Sign up with a CSA, get to know the farmers at your local farmer's market. Get to know small farmers in your area. Patronize local food. Grow your own food, it's really not that hard.
But most primitives wouldn't know what end's up, with a mere carrot, and so if the primitives grew their own food, rather than buying groceries with food stamps and welfare checks, the primitives would starve to death.
Not exactly paragons of self-reliance, the primitives.
Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 03:27 PM
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2. You Omitted
Denial of access to routine and preventative health care.
I know some folks who are very well off financially who are denied meaningful access to such care. They cannot obtain health insurance because of a pre-existing condition (which currently requires no medication) and the helath care providers in their area of the country have refused routine care to the uninsured. Seems money can't buy everything.
Right, money can't buy everything.....any more than science and medicine can cure all.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I am just getting started
This one was just on the food issue.
Healthcare issues will come another day,OK?
I'm quite disgusted and pissed off about so much,but have no outlet but posting about it.
Anyways what people refuse to get is, Organic and local produce will not save you from contamination. Because the earth itself is FULL of contaminants, in the soil, the air, the water.If it is grown or raised on Earth it carries the same toxic shit we already inhale ,eat and are exposed to .
When contaminants are injested one way or another, the toxins accumulates inside animals tissues, concentrating the toxins more and more as it is passed right on up the food chain,and it will regardless of labels and promises,continue until our body burden breaks and it manifests as "sickness".
We are,becoming sick from VERY slow poisoning.
Babies in the womb now carry a body burden before they are BORN.Mercury,PCB's..
Organic labels buying local and such will not save you from the toxic environment we and whatever we eat inhabit.
Wow. I thought in the perception of the primitives, "babies in the womb" are merely parasites, so why would the primitives be upset if these parasites are damaged?
Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. I Agree and I share your outrage regarding food contamination.
Health care is an issue for me. I have little respect for the medical industry, less for the insurance comapnies and still less for the regulators who have allowed the insurance companies to create rating schemes that effectively prohibit access to health care for many.
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After which the subway cat brings up cancer and the pharmaceutical industry, already mentioned in another bonfire and brought over here; no sense copying-and-pasting all that duplicate stuff.
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. It can buy travel
Travel to a place where health care is affordable (like anywhere outside of the United States).
Such as perhaps to Cuba or North Korea or Rhodesia or China?
Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 04:12 PM
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8. True but the individual I am referring to is self-employed in an endeavor that requires him to work 12 to 16 hours a day seven days a week. The endeavor does not generate enough income to secure a regular employee and much of what is done is proprietary - though the fellow does from time to time secure part-time assistance. The family does get several weeks off every 18 to 24 months. Travel abroad might be an option for routine care every couple of years but it does not address their need for meaningful access to health care. And it completely fails to address the same need for those who are less fortunate.
Raksha (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 03:51 PM
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5. K & R, and bookmarked to check out the links later.
It looks like you've done some great research on a subject I've been very concerned about for a while now.
A Fat Che in the punchbowl, a really nasty one, pops up:
Richardo (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 04:40 PM
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9. Any purportedly serious paper that includes the word 'bogus' is not worth the pixels illuminating it
What utter crap.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 11:39 PM
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11. denial doesn't erase the fact this planet is contaminated by the chemical,drug,and agribusiness, industries and military,and that it is in the food supply and inside us.
Call it conspiracy if that makes you feel better, but relabeling a sick political reality concerning our food will not erase the fact we are slowly being poisoned by our"consumer" culture and the pollutants it creates, are making us sick,...and the toxins that surround us are never going to be cleaned up by the pigs who made it, profit from it,because they are profiting and they not held accountable for what they do to the environment or people,really...
Richardo (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-16-08 12:33 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. So what do you DO, besides whine about it and post unreadable diatribes?
haruka3_2000 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 05:47 PM
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10. Have you ever checked out this forum?
www.abovetopsecret.com
It's filled with all this conspiracy stuff.
Hmmm. That must be where Pedro Picasso picks up all his ideas, about conspiracies.
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Uh what I put up isn't a bunch of speculation
It is connecting facts separated by walls that exist only in some people's minds, like yours.
If what I write makes you uncomfortable maybe you need to broaden your perceptions and stop clinging to the"mainstream" media which is owned by a few asshole,wealthy right wing people..The "mainstream" omits very important news in favor of stupid shit like what the movie stars are up to and propaganda..
Conspiracy has been around since there have been empires and political power hun.
What I wrote was exposing the reality of the dirty politics and back room deals that get done whether you see it or not, like usual.
Paradigm Shift: When anomalies or inconsistencies arise within a given paradigm and present problems that we are unable to solve within a given paradigm, our view of reality must change, as must the way we perceive, think, and value the world. We must take on new assumptions and expectations that will transform our theories, traditions, rules, and standards of practice. We must create a new paradigm in which we are able to solve the unsolvable problems of the old paradigm.
Paradigm Addiction: What occurs when a paradigm and its most ardent supporters are addicted to the paradigm to the point where they lose the realization that they are even in a paradigm at all? Ardent paradigm supporters have equated paradigm survival with their own personal survival, and will manipulate and control a society in order to prevent any social or cultural advancement out of the existing paradigm, ignoring or suppressing public knowledge of anomalies, equating perception of anomalies to "personal abnormality" in order to intimidate populations to remain within the status quo control paradigm. Addiction to a paradigm results in either paradigm death or death of those who maintain the paradigm.
If someone can translate the last two paragaphs, above (not the subway cat's own work, but copied-and-pasted by her), please illuminate as to what it says.
Not all of us are as intense as the subway cat; we need simpler explanations.
haruka3_2000 (1000+ posts) Mon Dec-15-08 11:58 PM
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13. Chillax, dude
I was posting that forum because I thought you might like it and want to check it out.
Instead, you attacked me.
BTW, I know what a paradigm shift is, but thank you for your "lesson." You really know how to stick it to the "wealthy."
undergroundpanther (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-16-08 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. Ok my bad,sorry
I am so used to knee jerk critics on here who call everything that isn't mainstream associated press a conspiracy theory to make me seem like I am not making sense and I guess I am just reacting, I jumped the shark on ya,I am so,sorry.
I have checked out above top secret. I look around there once in awhile.Sometimes they have very good leads and observations that in time end up becoming news,sometimes not, but regardless it is interesting to read the stuff there.I have it bookmarked and always approach things with an open mind,endless curiosity and when required a grain of salt until I am convinced otherwise.I change paradigms and often I throw them out because I ask why, and pursue something I want to understand until *I* am satisfied with the answers.Some people get threatened by that. Glad you aren't one of those people,again I apologize.
Oh my.
The subway cat doesn't realize the halupka primitive was mocking her, not agreeing with her.
