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Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« on: November 26, 2008, 11:21:13 AM »
Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns

Note: Felt it was better here than in the Second Amendment area.  Mods, please move if you deem it fit.

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Monday, November 24, 2008
By Rich Lord, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Pittsburgh City Council gave its first approval today to legislation requiring that anyone report a lost or stolen firearm report that within 24 hours or potentially face a $500 fine.

The 6-1 vote, with two abstentions, sets up a final vote likely next week, which would send the legislation to Mayor Luke Ravenstahl for his signature or veto, and then potentially to the courts, where similar measures have been challenged.

"Who really cares about it being unconstitutional?" said Councilwoman Tonya Payne, a supporter. "This is what's right to do, and if this means that we have to go out and have a court battle, then that's fine ... We have plenty of dead bodies coming up in our streets every single day, and that is unacceptable."

The lone no vote was by Councilman Ricky Burgess, who argued that it would be a "false cure" that would be "particularly cruel" to his violence-plagued northeastern Pittsburgh district.

"This legislation will not strike a blow to straw purchasers," he said. "This ordinance will not be enforced, no loopholes will be closed and no lives will be saved, because no municipality can legally regulate firearms of any kind, at any time, for any reason."


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Edit: emphasis mine.

Three guesses to the political affiliation of Ms. Payne.  64 million idiots just got this kind of mentality for the next four years.
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2008, 11:33:12 AM »
I wonder if they have any exclusion for a person who may have their home burglarized and guns stolen while they are on vacation? 
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2008, 11:35:02 AM »
Officer, "Hey, where's your gun"?
Citizen, "I don't know".
Officer, "Was it stolen"?
Citizen, "Yes".
Officer, "When"?

The "idiot" scenario:
Citizen, "Oh, a long time ago".
Officer, "That'll cost you $500".

The "thinking person" scenario:
Citizen, "Yesterday".
Officer, "Oh, okay fill out this report".

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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2008, 12:01:11 PM »
I thought I "lost" a gun a couple of times. One was packed away in a gun case which I had thought was empty, I eventually discovered. The second time, it was safely locked away in the safe, just in a part of the safe that I couldn't access because the battery died for the electronic combo lock.  It took me more than a week to find each one. I had some twenty different guns at the time. I don't know if this is an infringement on one's gun rights, but it's pretty nanny-statist legislation. They NEED to crack down on the criminals instead of normally law abiding citizens. This makes one almost need to inventory their guns every day.
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2008, 03:17:10 PM »
A couple of multi million dollar lawsuits against the city should be filed for violation of the Second Amendment and who knows what other laws. Then we will see just how frivolous Tonya Payne thinks it is to vote for idiot laws like this.
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2008, 03:27:23 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on November 26, 2008, 03:17:10 PM
A couple of multi million dollar lawsuits against the city should be filed for violation of the Second Amendment and who knows what other laws. Then we will see just how frivolous Tonya Payne thinks it is to vote for idiot laws like this.

I THINK that PA has a preemption law. This would nullify any local legislation.
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2008, 03:37:12 PM »
Pittsburgh is stupid. :banghead:
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2008, 04:48:26 PM »
"I don't know, but when I went to look for them yesterday, they were gone."

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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2008, 07:38:45 AM »
You guys sure are transparent...



Sir, your gun was used in a crime.

naww couldn't have been mine, mine's right here in the draw....SON OF A BITCH I'VE BEEN ROBBED!! WTF are you going to do about this damnit?




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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2008, 01:01:39 PM »
This kind of law is a prelude to confiscation. Its also designed to harass legal owners and make owning guns too inconvenient for the average citizen.

Expect every blue locality to enact a plethora of harassment laws upon legal gun owners. Taxing ammo is only the beginning.
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2008, 01:16:25 PM »
ANd the purpose of this stupid legislation is????
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2008, 06:29:31 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on November 27, 2008, 01:16:25 PM
ANd the purpose of this stupid legislation is????

As Mr. Mannn said, it's a prelude to confiscation.  When the militarized popos come around to seize the weapons, it prevents the owners from saying "What weapons?" without being on the hook for either illegal disposition or failure to report a theft.  It is not the ultimate piece of legislation necessary to do that, but it is an important brick in the wall.
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2008, 07:54:48 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on November 27, 2008, 06:29:31 PM
As Mr. Mannn said, it's a prelude to confiscation.  When the militarized popos come around to seize the weapons, it prevents the owners from saying "What weapons?" without being on the hook for either illegal disposition or failure to report a theft.  It is not the ultimate piece of legislation necessary to do that, but it is an important brick in the wall.

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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2008, 09:05:51 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on November 27, 2008, 06:29:31 PM
As Mr. Mannn said, it's a prelude to confiscation.  When the militarized popos come around to seize the weapons, it prevents the owners from saying "What weapons?" without being on the hook for either illegal disposition or failure to report a theft.  It is not the ultimate piece of legislation necessary to do that, but it is an important brick in the wall.

And the libtards wonder why we want/NEED weapons like the CAR-15, etc.  When the government outguns the people, tyranny will result.
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2008, 09:55:05 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on November 27, 2008, 06:29:31 PM
As Mr. Mannn said, it's a prelude to confiscation.  When the militarized popos come around to seize the weapons, it prevents the owners from saying "What weapons?" without being on the hook for either illegal disposition or failure to report a theft.  It is not the ultimate piece of legislation necessary to do that, but it is an important brick in the wall.

DAT, in most states, it's still legal to make a face to face private transaction without any paperwork.

Quote from: NHSparky on November 28, 2008, 09:05:51 AM
And the libtards wonder why we want/NEED weapons like the CAR-15, etc.  When the government outguns the people, tyranny will result.

Sparky, we've been outgunned since 1986, thanks to Reagan....  :(
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Re: Council passes controversial bill on stolen guns
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2008, 10:26:23 AM »
Quote from: Thor on November 28, 2008, 09:55:05 AM
DAT, in most states, it's still legal to make a face to face private transaction without any paperwork.

Indeed it is.  Now.  That's why this law isn't the ultimate piece necessary to make confiscation work.
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