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Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« on: January 29, 2008, 10:00:37 AM »
Back in October I recieved a letter from the Florida Dept of Revenue that my child support was in arrears. This is a very difficult thing to assess as there are 2 controlling authorities: the Florida Dept. of Reveneue and the Broward County Child Support Enforcement Division. The 2 can never agree as to the amount due at any given time because they cross-report balances and payments to each other and the only real way to tell is to go to the clerk of the courts and pay $50 for a printout of your history (with the attending 4 hour wait and parking fees in lovely traffic-choked downtown Ft Lauderdale). As they were reporting different stories I threw $300 at the problem.

The nasty-grams stopped.

Just to be sure I called the DoR in November and was told that my account was in good standing.

Fine. Regular payments are being deducted from my paycheck. In fact, I'm over-paid because the national Guard is also deducting but the payments are not being credited to my account...not that they need to be because my regular wages more than cover it.

Every other week I check the on-line site--yep, the payments (except the the Nat'l Guard) are showing as being applied.

December 28 rolls around and I get a letter saying my drivers license will be suspended Jan. 1 for non-payment.

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I call and explain to the typing chimp that my account is paid-up. He concurs. I beg him to not allow my license to be suspended and ask that my case be reviewed. I say this specifically because on the notice it states that if you feel the suspension is unjustified you can ask for a review and the "time will not toll" towards the suspension. I'm no lawyer but I interpret this to mean they will hold off on the suspension until the review is completed.

In addition, the typing chimp tells me that he cannot understand why I would be subject to this action because by law they are required to contact me by phone and arrange re-payment options before moving on a suspension and there is no record of such contact being attempted...not that it would be needed because as he himself agrees, I am paid up to date.

So he says he is requesting a review.

Five days ago I am at the Colorado DMV. I need a CDL Learner's Permit for my job. Colorado says my license is suspended, they cannot give me a CDL LP but they will not take my CO license because they believe me about how ****ed-up Florida is.

I call the FL DoR. They tell me I filed for a review on Dec 28 and that they are entitled to 30 days to fulfill the review.

"And if it isn't concluded?"

"You can file another request for a review."

The job I was hired for requires a CDL. I have now been laid-off. There are no other jobs to offer that aren't license dependent; my supervisor was on the phone for an hour begging them to keep me around. I will get my job back as soon as the suspension is lifted but that is anybody's guess as to when because nobody is claiming responsibility for the arrearages mistake or suspension.

The review paperwork was sent to me...except the ****ed-up and sent a form to see if I wanted my payment amounts reviewed for possible adjustment.

I've even asked for the affadavit saying I satisifed the arrearages (a tantamount admission of allowing a lapse) just to get my license back even though it would cost me $47.50 for something I never did wrong. Alas the idiots on the phone told me that is part of the 30 day process. As it has now been 30 days I have to call back and ask them to send to me what they never sent me the first time.

Yesterday, I spoke to a supervisor and--yes--she agreed this is a horrible mistake and she was very sorry. She vowed she would email the Director of Revenue an email with bold, red letters to expedite this affair and get it corrected. If I would just give her 2 to 4 hours she'll make it all better. It has now been more than 24 hours.

I am furious.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 10:06:35 AM »
Yep. Bureaucracy dis definitely the solution to our problems!

Sorry about your troubles, SB. Hope the license gets straightened out soon. Can you lawyer up? I see a possible lawsuit here.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 10:12:22 AM »
Yep. Bureaucracy dis definitely the solution to our problems!

Sorry about your troubles, SB. Hope the license gets straightened out soon. Can you lawyer up? I see a possible lawsuit here.
Alas, you cannot sue just because they ****ed-up. The dirty open secret that the courts realize is: if everyone who ever FELT wronged by a government agency were to sue the government would be paralyzed even in the commission of legitmate responsibilities.

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You have to show an EXTREME circumstance, i.e. false imprisonment. Getting screwed out a job and a few thousand dollars won't suffice. Besides, suing won't alleviate the fact I got overhead here and now.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 10:55:20 AM »
The entire family law system is rigged to screw men as much as possible.  Between the male feminist-weenies and the feminazis who have flooded the legal system, real men don't have a chance in hell.

You have been entrapped in the jaws of the anti-male system.

I am going to try to figure something out for you -- in the meantime, get a lawyer and go on the offensive.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 11:41:01 AM »
I ended up in jail in another state because Michigan neglected to credit my payments. They were payroll deducted. This was 25 years ago. :argh:
Come to think of it, unions do create jobs. Companies have to hire two workers to do the work of one.

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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2008, 12:05:13 PM »
UPDATE

Still laid off...3 weeks now.

Can't even get another job because everyone local wants a Motor vehicle Record. Try getting a job with a license suspended for failure to pay child support. You might as well have the words "Negligient Deadbeat Father" branded on your forehead.

The enforcement agency admits it made a mistake--in fact by their own records I was OVERPAID when the suspension order was placed.

After innumerable phone calls asking for a supervisor (I always asked but was often told no one was available or simply hung-up on) sent a PRIORITY EMAIL (Oooooh!) to the case worker.

The case worker issued a request for reinstatement. I was supposed to get an affidavit saying same and that was supposedly mailed Jan 29th.

yeah...right

I'm told that everything should be OK. Not so fast. CO DMV can't re-issue until the FL DMV lifts the suspension.

Calling the FL DMV I'm told it will cost $47.50 to get the reinstatement taken care of. If I mail a money order they have 10 to process it.

Or I can hire a courier for an additional $25.

Of course that still leaves the scarlet letter on my MVR.

I call back to support enforcement. Will they change the "in compliance" to "erroneous suspension"?

Sure...except it will be a normal task which gives the case worker 30 days to act. Mind you this would be the same case worker who repeatedly did nothing over numerous 30 periods and is responsible get me into this mess in the first place. Yes, let's get a bureaucrat to admit error.

Can they send another "priority email"? No...they're only allowed to send 1 per case per 30 day period; even though the correct thing wasn't done the first time. Don't even bother calling the case worker directly; they are not required to respond and they will not.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2008, 12:34:05 PM »
Oh God Snuggles, you are trapped in red tape hell. I wish I could offer some insight on how to shake the tree....

At this point, I would be screaming my head off. Would an attorney be helpful at this point? It sounds like you are at the mercy of the button mashing monkeys. God, I hate that.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2008, 12:49:48 PM »
Oh God Snuggles, you are trapped in red tape hell. I wish I could offer some insight on how to shake the tree....

At this point, I would be screaming my head off. Would an attorney be helpful at this point? It sounds like you are at the mercy of the button mashing monkeys. God, I hate that.
I found an attorney that grabbed some phone numbers (for FREE! even...must not be a real lawyer) for the case workers. Obviously it was a futile gesture.

Right now I'm dealing w/ the FL Inspector General's office.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2008, 01:03:32 PM »
I don't know about you but I can hardly ****ing wait for these dysfunctional fat-assed government drones to administer my healthcare!  :sarcasm:
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2008, 01:10:34 PM »
Oh God Snuggles, you are trapped in red tape hell. I wish I could offer some insight on how to shake the tree....

At this point, I would be screaming my head off. Would an attorney be helpful at this point? It sounds like you are at the mercy of the button mashing monkeys. God, I hate that.
I found an attorney that grabbed some phone numbers (for FREE! even...must not be a real lawyer) for the case workers. Obviously it was a futile gesture.

Right now I'm dealing w/ the FL Inspector General's office.
is it the atty general's office that handles child support in FL? I know they do in Texas. Would calling a state rep. do any good? Okay, stop laughing...I'm grasping at straws here....
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2008, 01:18:06 PM »
Snugs, sorry to hear this. Seriously.

We will keep you in our prayers here FWIW.




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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 01:36:13 PM »
We will keep you in our prayers here FWIW.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 02:18:20 PM »
We will keep you in our prayers here FWIW.
Omnipotence may well raise the dead from their graves but I fear It pales before the incompetence and apathy of Bureaucracy.

Just about every time I have had an issue with the Florida DMV I have felt that since it didn't happen to the person I'm dealing with they really and truly don't care how long anything takes or how much trouble it causes for people. I'm mentally perparing myself now for the joy of having to apply to the Florida DMV for a hardship license next Oct 12th. I don't know specfically what's going to happen but what ever occurs I am sure it is going to suck.
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Re: Livid Doesn't Even Begin to Describe My Feelings
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 03:44:17 PM »
I know your pain. The State of Nebraska took out over 1k more then they were supposed to for Child Support and when asked when I could get a refund they said "Sorry Once the money went to Iowa we can no longer get it back after it has been dispensed'. WTF? you steal 1k from me and then tell me I get jack in return but if I stole 1k from anyone I'd get jail time.
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