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Offline bijou

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Windows 7
« on: November 15, 2008, 02:54:54 PM »

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While users still argue whether Windows XP should be the preferred choice over the more current Windows Vista, Microsoft is preparing to release the next iteration: Windows 7.

It just feels too soon.  Some claim that it’s a sign that Microsoft is abandoning Windows Vista in favor of Windows 7.  In reality, before Windows Vista hit the market, there was a new version of Windows every 2-3 years.  (Think about it: Windows 95, 98, 2000, Me, and XP all had less than 3 years between them.)  It’s really no surprise to see Microsoft preparing to release the successor to Windows Vista after it’s been on the market for three years.

So what does this mean to you?  Nothing yet.  While Microsoft released a “pre-beta” version of Windows 7 at a developer’s conference last month, exact specifications and features of the new operating system have not been released.  Rumors claim that Microsoft intends to release Windows 7 in June 2009, but most experts agree that it’s more likely to in the fourth quarter of 2009, or perhaps even early 2010.
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http://www.techguynews.com/news/archive/oldissues/November2008.html

I have yet to use Vista, so maybe I will end up bypassing it altogether.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2008, 03:18:54 PM »
Well, Windows ME was a big dud. Very few people actually liked it or had little problems with it.  XP has been the Gold Standard for Microsoft, IMO.  I've not used Vista much, but it sure seemed like they tried to cross Windows 2000 with XP. There are an awful lot of administrative controls that aren't in the same place as 2000 or XP and it gives the Vista user a little more control over who does what on the computer. 
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2008, 03:50:31 PM »
XP is actually built on the NT5 kernel, which is what Windows 2000 was based on. Out of the NT kernels, 5 has been the most stable by far.

The knock on the inherent INsecurity of Windows in general is probably why Vista has been such a turd on arrival. They overcompensated on the security aspect and adversely affected the overall performance of the OS. That and redesigning the entire interface (if you use the 2007 version of Office, you get a taste of that via the "Ribbon", which many people have learned to hate).

I'm holding out hope that Windows 7 will be somewhat decent. If not, I'll go back to trying my hand at Linux.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2008, 04:42:10 PM »
Quote from: SemiSpook on November 15, 2008, 03:50:31 PM
The knock on the inherent INsecurity of Windows in general is probably why Vista has been such a turd on arrival. They overcompensated on the security aspect and adversely affected the overall performance of the OS. That and redesigning the entire interface (if you use the 2007 version of Office, you get a taste of that via the "Ribbon", which many people have learned to hate).

At school the computer labs all have Office 2007.  When I went into test out of a word processing class the test was Office 2007 and it took me a few minutes for each question just to find stuff (like headers/footers). 
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2008, 06:25:21 PM »
Quote from: Miss Mia on November 15, 2008, 04:42:10 PM
At school the computer labs all have Office 2007.  When I went into test out of a word processing class the test was Office 2007 and it took me a few minutes for each question just to find stuff (like headers/footers). 

Even after several months of use, Word 2007 still drives me nuts in trying to find everything (I got the Student And Teacher Edition).  However, Excel 2007 is a MAJOR improvement over the old one.   I tell people to stick with Office 2003, for now, especially since trying to go backwards from the 2007 to 2003 Word with a document is darned near impossible.   When my printer was out of commission, I would e-mail a document to myself and go to the library (Office 2003) to print it out... wouldn't work.  :banghead:
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2008, 06:29:59 PM »
Quote from: Miss Mia on November 15, 2008, 04:42:10 PM
At school the computer labs all have Office 2007.  When I went into test out of a word processing class the test was Office 2007 and it took me a few minutes for each question just to find stuff (like headers/footers). 

I viscerally HATE Vista and its bastard cousin Office 2007. If I ever meet the designer, I will make him/her USE it for a living.

That is punishment enough.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2008, 06:39:15 PM »
Quote from: freedumb2003 on November 15, 2008, 06:29:59 PM
I viscerally HATE Vista and its bastard cousin Office 2007. If I ever meet the designer, I will make him/her USE it for a living.

That is punishment enough.

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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2008, 06:45:08 PM »
Quote from: Chris on November 15, 2008, 06:39:15 PM
Hope you saved enough frequent flyer miles to get to New Dehli.

Actually, I do.  I still have about 700,000 available miles across 2 airlines.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2008, 07:48:56 PM »
Quote from: ACrazyConservative on November 15, 2008, 06:25:21 PM
Even after several months of use, Word 2007 still drives me nuts in trying to find everything (I got the Student And Teacher Edition).  However, Excel 2007 is a MAJOR improvement over the old one.   I tell people to stick with Office 2003, for now, especially since trying to go backwards from the 2007 to 2003 Word with a document is darned near impossible.   When my printer was out of commission, I would e-mail a document to myself and go to the library (Office 2003) to print it out... wouldn't work.  :banghead:

One of my professors uses Word 2007 for documents he emails out.  I had to download this patch so I can open them up. 
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2008, 07:55:04 PM »
Quote from: Miss Mia on November 15, 2008, 07:48:56 PM
One of my professors uses Word 2007 for documents he emails out.  I had to download this patch so I can open them up. 

I think if you rename 2007 .doc files with .docx, earlier versions will be able to open it up.  Or that might be the other way around.  I don't get to play with the new stuff.  :(
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2008, 08:09:48 PM »
I don't know anyone who is actually using Vista myself, nor do I see any particular reason to change myself.  BTW, I also find IE7 to be a total user-hostile POS compared to IE6.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2008, 08:12:15 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on November 15, 2008, 08:09:48 PM
I don't know anyone who is actually using Vista myself, nor do I see any particular reason to change myself.  BTW, I also find IE7 to be a total user-hostile POS compared to IE6.

You're using Explorer?  Firefox all the way.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2008, 08:14:45 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on November 15, 2008, 08:09:48 PM
I don't know anyone who is actually using Vista myself, nor do I see any particular reason to change myself.  BTW, I also find IE7 to be a total user-hostile POS compared to IE6.

Nearly all of the HP/Compaq systems I worked on over the last year have had Vista on them.  It's intensely resource-hungry and won't run well on anything less than a dual-core CPU with two Gb of RAM.  And there's the anecdotal stories of people downgrading to XP on purpose which I saw a lot of as well.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2008, 08:21:33 PM »
Quote from: Chris on November 15, 2008, 08:14:45 PM
Nearly all of the HP/Compaq systems I worked on over the last year have had Vista on them.  It's intensely resource-hungry and won't run well on anything less than a dual-core CPU with two Gb of RAM.  And there's the anecdotal stories of people downgrading to XP on purpose which I saw a lot of as well.

That would really blow for me, I use swappable drives so I can boot 98SE, there's a tank sim I greatly enjoy that won't run for crap even in 98 emulation mode in XP (well it runs, but the way its physics engine works in emulation just absolutely sucks), and to have a hardware config that is compatible with both XP and 98 I can only have 1 Gig on the MB.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2008, 11:02:23 PM »
I have been using Vista for a while now and although I have become used to it...  It is a resource pig.  It doesn't run a few old MS-DOS progarms that I have that ran fine on XP.

I am seriously considering rolling back to XP.
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Re: Windows 7
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2008, 11:35:20 AM »
Quote from: rich_t on November 15, 2008, 11:02:23 PM
I have been using Vista for a while now and although I have become used to it...  It is a resource pig.  It doesn't run a few old MS-DOS progarms that I have that ran fine on XP.

I am seriously considering rolling back to XP.

http://www.dosbox.com/

DOSBox is a DOS emulator that works just dandy with Vista.  I've been using it for a few years now to play DOS games that were difficult to get working on a modern PC - beats the hell out of spending days and days custom-building bootable CDs just to get the damn things to work.

As for Vista being a resource hog - on the one hand this is true to an extent.  On the other hand, though, 64-bit Vista is the only version of Windows which can even address my resources adequately (XP 64 could, if there was anything even resembling adequate support for it).  XP pro was limited to using 2 processor cores (I don't know if that's been changed with the advent of quad-core technology or not) and any 32-bit Windows OS can only address 4 GiB max. of memory - including processor cache, RAM and video-card memory.  Since I've got 8 gigs of RAM, and I don't have the inclination to learn Linux, Vista is really the only choice.
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