http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4417259#4418047Oh my.
carlyhippy (862 posts) Sat Nov-08-08 05:10 PM
Original message
HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ALL NEED TO MELLOW OUT
We have a new president, renewed hope for our country, what is wrong with you people?!
This place has turned into WWIII
CHILL OUT
It's a very big bonfire, and the Inevitable happens.
carlyhippy (862 posts) Sat Nov-08-08 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #2
6. none of it was nice, neither is this
this place has gone outer limits.....mormons, the 8, racism, what next....what happened to the feeling of victory and hope for the future?!
ruggerson (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-08-08 05:17 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. maybe it went the same place as some people's marriage certificates?
cwydro (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-08-08 05:13 PM
Response to Original message
3. It is kind of funny how many are gleefully pointing out the Republicans turning on each other, while here in DU the same thing is happening.
Actually, it is not funny. It's sad.
Actually, it is funny.
DontTreadOnMe (402 posts) Sat Nov-08-08 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. I am just curious...so don't take this the wrong way. I am not gay, but I have always been pro gay rights.
But if I had to make a list of the Top 100 things this country has to fix, Gay Marriage would not make the top 50.
I am sure that for Gay people, it might be the Number One item. And that is OK with me. But I think the approach the gay community has been taking for years will never win... and apparently has not been winning.
Gay parades hurt your cause more than anything. The "in your face" approach turns most of America away, EVEN if it is the RIGHT thing.
My advice to the gay community is to work from the legal end of gay partnerships.
Work on new laws for health insurance between partners, property rights, etc. Stay away from the term "marriage". It is just a word! It is a losing issue. It's like trying to ban guns.
It is a phrase that is going to take another 100 years for society to come to terms with. "Gay Marriage" is a phrase that is a Republican fund raiser.
You need to work on what the goals are, not the moniker.
How many gay people are there in the United States? What percent of the vote?
How many other good causes go down on election day for minority positions.
When you KNOW you have a minority voting block, how do you WIN an election?
How do you convince non-gay Americans to vote for gay rights? That is how you win. If your position is "becasue it is the right thing to do"... you will continue to lose.
How many Republican ideas are the "right thing to do"...not many! But they still win on many "minority" sopported issues.
Time for the Gay Community to get organized on the issues.
Where is the plan?
If "gay rights' is not in MY "Top 50 issues need fixing", how are you going to change my mind to move it into my Top 10 List?
Oh Hell.
With so much poverty and want and corruption and repression and murder in the world, "gay rights" aren't even on franksolich's Top 10,000.
dbackjon (1000+ posts) Sat Nov-08-08 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Thank you. I will quietly move to the back of the bus so you may more easily run me over.
Gay Rights SHOULD be in your top 10. If it isn't, then you need to ask yourself WHY ISN't EQUALITY FOR ALL AMERICANS THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU???
I dunno. How are gays less equal under the law than non-gays?
DontTreadOnMe (402 posts) Sat Nov-08-08 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. huh?
If you move to the back of the bus, then you are just admitting defeat.
Why... tell me why it should be in MY Top 10?
How about equal education for all Americans?
How about equal healthcare for all Americans?
Your issue is low on my priority list... how are you going to move it up the list?
By marching in the steets? What are you going to DO?
Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-09-08 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #25
51. Well, You're Quite the Jackass.
If it doesn't bother you that a significant portion of this country are legally second-class citizens, you're a tool, and no argument that I can make in favor of my rights - which, by the way, you are an asshole for suggesting I need to defend - is going to sway your stupid ass.
The question is not what am *I* going to do. The question is, what are YOU going to do?
I dunno. How are gays "second-class" citizens when compared with non-gays?
I mean, it's not like blacks were, circa 1630-November 4, 2008, a long history of repression and second-classdom.
baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-09-08 06:42 PM
Response to Reply #25
76. What's this top 10 crap? Do you actually have a list? One that you've written down?
If you do, you're WEIRD.
If you don't, this whole "list" is a way for you to sneer at gay people and nothing else.
Why should we jump through a bunch of stupid hoops for you? Your type just sets up more hoops. Don't be offended, it's just the truth.
If you really did support gay rights AND had some idea what might be a more appropriate way to go about securing them (if there is one) you'd have posted about that.
But you didn't. So it's pretty obvious that you don't.
bobbolink (1000+ posts) Sun Nov-09-08 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #19
75. So, how important is ending homelessness to you?
Hmmm. One thinks the bobbling primitive should direct that question to the sparkling husband primitive, a real-estate mogul in Maryland, or to El Stupido Supremo, who owns two houses in Connecticut when one house is enough.
Other primitives join in the fray, pro and con, a true
primitivenfest.
