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Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« on: November 10, 2008, 05:40:20 AM »
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SACRAMENTO, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger Sunday said "we will ... maybe undo" a measure passed by voters Tuesday stripping same-sex couples of the right to marry.
Proposition 8 amends the state constitution to declare that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." It came in reaction to a state Supreme Court ruling that laws prohibiting same-sex marriage violated the state constitution
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The comments seem to represent a change in Schwarzenegger's thinking, the Times said. In the past he has said he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman, but he has also said the matter should be decided by voters or the courts and he opposed Proposition 8.
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Hey Arnold, the voters did decide, they don't want gay marriage.
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2008, 07:12:36 AM »
I really don't understand what the hell is going on in this country.  You don't get what you want in a vote and you get to call a DO OVER?! 

"Oh, we're really sorry, we didn't mean to put that amendment out to an ACTUAL vote.  Nope, our bad.  We were just teasin', this thing is good to go .... yup, good to go.  If you wanna marry a goat we're fine with that too."

Jeeze.

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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2008, 07:38:48 AM »
Quote from: Texacon on November 10, 2008, 07:12:36 AM
I really don't understand what the hell is going on in this country.  You don't get what you want in a vote and you get to call a DO OVER?! 

"Oh, we're really sorry, we didn't mean to put that amendment out to an ACTUAL vote.  Nope, our bad.  We were just teasin', this thing is good to go .... yup, good to go.  If you wanna marry a goat we're fine with that too."

Jeeze.

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Apparently that was legal in Arkansas many years ago...just at Bubba Clinton.
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2008, 07:44:23 AM »
Why do normal, God-fearing people still live in this cesspool of a state?
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2008, 07:47:27 AM »
Quote from: jendf on November 10, 2008, 07:44:23 AM
Why do normal, God-fearing people still live in this cesspool of a state?
...same reason they voted for the Big Zero.   :banghead:
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2008, 07:56:22 AM »
I don't like the result of the Presidential election - Can I Haz Doover too ?
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2008, 08:04:23 AM »
Quote from: miskie on November 10, 2008, 07:56:22 AM
I don't like the result of the Presidential election - Can I Haz Doover too ?
Doovers are not for us knuckle-draggin' rethugs. 
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2008, 09:51:25 AM »
SO lemme get this straight.... vote to ban gun rights is the will of the people and not unconstitutional, vote to ban gay marriage is will of the people but we don't like it and it's constitutionally unfair.  Did I get that right???? :thatsright:
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2008, 10:42:17 AM »
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a measure passed by voters Tuesday stripping same-sex couples of the right to marry.

No bias there.  Nope.

Hey, liberals - NO ONE has a "right to marry."  I didn't have the "right to marry" my wife.  That PRIVILEGE was bestowed upon us by laws passed by PEOPLE and their elected representatives, not by an oligarchy of judges who have no business making law from the bench.  The PEOPLE of California decided against "gay marriage."  The "right" WAS NOT STRIPPED from anyone because IT DIDN'T EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2008, 12:14:27 PM »
Quote from: BadCat on November 10, 2008, 09:53:09 AM
Enough of them have come over the state line and messed up our state real well already.

Hey now!  :hammer:

The State itself is fine. The Libtards running it are another matter......... :thatsright:
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2008, 12:53:20 PM »
Quote from: jinxmchue on November 10, 2008, 10:42:17 AM
No bias there.  Nope.

Hey, liberals - NO ONE has a "right to marry."  I didn't have the "right to marry" my wife.  That PRIVILEGE was bestowed upon us by laws passed by PEOPLE and their elected representatives, not by an oligarchy of judges who have no business making law from the bench.  The PEOPLE of California decided against "gay marriage."  The "right" WAS NOT STRIPPED from anyone because IT DIDN'T EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Gotta disagree with you a little bit there Jinx.  Just because a right is not enumerated in the BOR does not mean it doesn't exist.

Having said that, the gays have just as much right to marry as you do as long as it is to someone of the opposite sex.  They also have as much right to marry a goat as anyone else.

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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2008, 07:35:57 PM »
WTF?

Yo Arnold, take your sorry liberal ass back to Austria!

The poeple of your state have ruled that they don't want gay marriages.  Deal with it.

Since when does the state SC have the authority to overturn a Constitutional Amendment that has been approved by the voters of that state IAW state law?
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2008, 07:45:13 PM »
Quote from: Texacon on November 10, 2008, 12:53:20 PM
Gotta disagree with you a little bit there Jinx.  Just because a right is not enumerated in the BOR does not mean it doesn't exist.

Agreed.

Article the eleventh [Amendment IX]

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2008, 07:46:49 PM »
Quote from: rich_t on November 10, 2008, 07:35:57 PM
WTF?

Yo Arnold take your sorry liberal ass back to Austria!

The poeple of your state have ruled that they don't want gay marriages.  Deal with it.

Since when does the state SC have the authority to overturn a Constitutional Amendment that has been approved by the voters of that state IAW state law?

That's a good one. Now the libs want to declare their state constitution unconstitutional.  Wasn't Obama quoted as saying something similar about the Federal Constitution?
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2008, 07:57:49 PM »
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 18  AMENDING AND REVISING THE CONSTITUTION


SEC. 1.  The Legislature by rollcall vote entered in the journal,
two-thirds of the membership of each house concurring, may propose an
amendment or revision of the Constitution and in the same manner may
amend or withdraw its proposal.  Each amendment shall be so prepared
and submitted that it can be voted on separately.

SEC. 2.  The Legislature by rollcall vote entered in the journal,
two-thirds of the membership of each house concurring, may submit at
a general election the question whether to call a convention to
revise the Constitution. If the majority vote yes on that question,
within 6 months the Legislature shall provide for the convention.
Delegates to a constitutional convention shall be voters elected from
districts as nearly equal in population as may be practicable.

SEC. 3.  The electors may amend the Constitution by initiative.

SEC. 4.  A proposed amendment or revision shall be submitted to the
electors and if approved by a majority of votes thereon takes effect
the day after the election unless the measure provides otherwise.  If
provisions of 2 or more measures approved at the same election
conflict, those of the measure receiving the highest affirmative vote
shall prevail.


Hmmm...  Seems to me that Sections 3 and 4 cover the recent vote results concerning Prop. 8

It was placed on the ballot IAW section 3 and passed IAW section 4.

I don't see where the state SC has any legitimate legal authorty to over turn an amendment approved by the voters.
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2008, 10:59:22 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on November 10, 2008, 07:46:49 PM
That's a good one. Now the libs want to declare their state constitution unconstitutional.  Wasn't Obama quoted as saying something similar about the Federal Constitution?

Declare a state constitution unconstitutional? May as well declare the federal constituton unconstitutional.  :mental:
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2008, 11:21:18 PM »
What a girlie man.  :whatever:
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2008, 07:19:40 AM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on November 10, 2008, 10:59:22 PM
Declare a state constitution unconstitutional? May as well declare the federal constituton unconstitutional.  :mental:
It's probably on Brock's agenda....the one he took off his website.
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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2008, 09:19:21 AM »
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Prepare to be chilled to the core. And be afraid. Be very afraid.

The Los Angeles Times reports that Democratic legislators are asking the state Supreme Court to void Prop. 8, regardless (or because) of the fact that it won a majority vote among California's citizens.
The measure won with 52.3% of the popular vote, nearly the same percentage of votes won by Barack Obama in the presidential election.

Two questions:
Should Congressional Republicans hire Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher to write a petition to the Supreme Court to "safeguard" against "temporary, and often short-lived, majorities" and usurp the presidential election?

Are legislators - who write California's laws - incapable of writing their own petition?

This is patently absurd and should amount to a Constitutional crisis in California if successful.
Check that. It would be absurd if usurping the vote through the courts was patently implausible. Instead, it is nothing short of alarming.

It's affects will reach beyond California. You know how the US Supreme Court loves precedent, even European precedent, when "interpreting" the US Constitution.
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Reporting from Sacramento -- Forty-three Democratic legislators, including leaders of the California Senate and Assembly, filed a brief Monday urging the California Supreme Court to void Proposition 8.

Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata and incoming President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg signed the friend of the court brief, filed with the state Supreme Court.
No Republican legislator signed the petition, though Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, denounced the anti-gay marriage measure over the weekend.

With almost 11 million ballots tallied, Proposition 8 had 52.3% of the vote to 47.7%. Although many ballots remain to be counted, the 500,000-vote spread is viewed as insurmountable.

"The citizens of California rely on the Legislature and the courts to safeguard against unlawful discrimination by temporary, and often short-lived, majorities," the legislators said in the document, written by attorneys at the firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
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Liberals have always known what is best for the peons.  :banghead:

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Re: Calif. gov.: 'We will maybe undo' Prop 8
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2008, 06:13:41 PM »
Well goody--then I expect the same people to file another brief contesting Obama's win...

(crickets)

Let the revolution begin.
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