Feds disrupt skinhead plot to assassinate Obama

[Lanie]

It is a direct call to be violent to those who disagree.  What do you think "get in your face" means?  If I was to see you in RL and "get in your face" what do you think I would be doing?  I would be inches from your face, poking my finger at you and physically intimidating you.

You can't put lipstick on THIS pig.  The liberal/commie candidate called for liberal/commie brounshirt tactics and his words are being carried out.

Getting in one's face can be haressment. It can also just be argumentive, confronting. Confrontation makes people feel uncomfortable. Many might consider discussing politics to be confronting. I admit it was a poor choice of words, but that's all it was.

[Lanie]

You said:
That implied that Obama isn't asking people to commit violence, but it leaves the opening that McCain is.  And yes some people are looking for every little thing to be offended about. They are called Liberals.

Uh, no it doesn't. The attacks in this thread were against Obama, not all of the left. Therefore, I asked for examples where Obama did the same. If I want to say that John McCain promotes violence, I won't sugarcoat it. I'll say "John McCain promotes violence". But since I wasn't saying that, I didn't.

[Chris_]

Getting in one's face can be haressment. It can also just be argumentive, confronting. Confrontation makes people feel uncomfortable. Many might consider discussing politics to be confronting. I admit it was a poor choice of words, but that's all it was.

No -- it was a directive to physically confront and intimidate his opponents.

read for comprehension: WORDS HAVE MEANING.

[Lanie]

No -- it was a directive to physically confront and intimidate his opponents.

read for comprehension: WORDS HAVE MEANING.

I wish I had a nickel for everytime the term was used and violence had nothing to do with it.

I'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Lord Undies]

I wish I had a nickel for everytime the term was used and violence had nothing to do with it.

I'll just have to agree to disagree.

No, you rehash of Tokyo Rose, you would still be broke.  You are a disgusting example of womanhood and you need to leave this board.  You have nothing but stupidity to offer. 

You lying trash never "agree to disagree".  You agree to try to get the last word.  It doesn't work with me.

[Chris_]

I wish I had a nickel for everytime the term was used and violence had nothing to do with it.

I'll just have to agree to disagree.

No, you will submit to my superior intellect and reasoning since you have no rebuttal.

Kneel or leave.

[whiffleball]

If, and IMO this is still a big if, this was a serious plot, then good on ATF.  However, the dearth of actual information and timing makes this story suspect. Looking at the suspects photos I believe I've seen the mug of the 3rd perp circulated before this.

How does John McCain figure into this?  I didn't catch the part of the story that revealed the perps voting records, candidate of choice or party affiliation.

[TheSarge]

And let me know when Obama starts having plots to hurt people.

Ok:

I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

And here is the result:

I said, “What are you doing? You can’t do that!” And he was red in the face screaming, “You people are ridiculous!” And I said, “Yeah, whatever, but you can’t do that.”
So I reached for the sign that he ripped up, and he grabbed another sign, broke it, and ripped it to shreds. And when I said, “You can’t do that,” he took the stick from the sign and started beating me on the head with it. He broke the skin on my head, he scratched my wrist, and almost broke my glasses, and then he left.
I followed him down the stairs to the subway until I could get the police and I said, “You’re not going to get away with it.” And as soon as he saw the police he immediately went calm. He still had the stick in his hand, and you could see the injury on my face, and he admitted it. He was arrested. He actually said, “I don’t know why I did this. It’s just those signs, and this election, it has me so upset.”

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-supporter-assaults-female-mccain-volunteer-in-new-york/2/


You were saying?

[jtyangel]

Political parties aside, I don't call wanting to attack an African American school and kill several of them to be a chip in the china. I call that freakin nuts. I think most on both sides of the aisle can agree that their threatening or trying to do that was pretty serious.

Your guy cavorts with, in your words, "nuts" and he will likely hold the highest office in the land. That concerns me a great deal more then a couple of impotent barely men who blabbed about how they hate the black dude over their illegally purchased beers.

[jtyangel]

Yeah, sure.

I'm sure you're aware of "relativity;" it after all was a big hippie thing.

Relative to what Democrats, liberals, and primitives have done with political discourse since Watergate, this doesn't even make a microscopic blip on the radar.

Don't try this "Bush = Hitler," "Mother Theresa = Saddam Hussein" sort of bullshit, there are degrees of things, and the Hate and rancour of Democrats, liberals, and primitives the past 30 years utterly, totally, eclipses, puts into the shadow, evaporates, the same sort of feelings emanating from decent and civilized people.

Everybody has his flaws, every side has its flaws, but it's the difference between a shattered-to-pieces china platter, and a china platter with a little chip on it.

Hi5, frank!

[Lauri]

Political parties aside, I don't call wanting to attack an African American school and kill several of them to be a chip in the china. I call that freakin nuts. I think most on both sides of the aisle can agree that their threatening or trying to do that was pretty serious.

do you feel its equally serious that a doll in West Hollywood is hanging by a rope and is dressed to look like Governor Palin?

Bridget, I know youre too young to remember what living thru Jimmy Carter was like, but a lot of the rest of us do. And we barely survived, but survive we did and America kicked his ass right back out after four long years.

but I have this feeling that Obama is your generations Carter; you think he's all shiny and new and since none of you kids know what a true socialist/communist is, because you never learned about it in school - you are going to be shocked and amazed how much farther the bottom is going to fall out of this country. Maybe four years thru an Obama presidency and you might understand why some Americans feel strongly that he is the wrong person at this point in time to lead such an amazing country.

Did the skinheads take it too far? Who knows.. didnt read the story. But when your freedoms and liberties are being threatened by the already minted President Obama, then dont be suprised when people go a bit nuts. It's not just Dems who can protest and break people's stuff and cause injury... you and the rest of the lefties are about to get a real history lesson in socialism that you never could dream of.

Count on it if the boy child is elected.

[Lauri]

Uh, I've been watching this election the entire time. I saw attacks on both sides. Before that, I saw infighting on both sides. I don't think this is all an obama thing. And let me know when Obama starts having plots to hurt people.

do you not recall Obama telling his tens of thousands of supporters over the summer to "get in people's faces!" .. he encouraged confrontations.

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face," he said.

"And if they tell you that, 'Well, we're not sure where he stands on guns.' I want you to say, 'He believes in the Second Amendment.' If they tell you, 'Well, he's going to raise your taxes,' you say, 'No, he's not, he's going lower them.' You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case."

so, not only does he want you to try and argue with people, he wants you to LIE about his 'lowering of taxes' BS - which we all know is the last thing Obama wants to do.

[Crazy Horse]

do you not recall Obama telling his tens of thousands of supporters over the summer to "get in people's faces!" .. he encouraged confrontations.

so, not only does he want you to try and argue with people, he wants you to LIE about his 'lowering of taxes' BS - which we all know is the last thing Obama wants to do.

Waste of breath................you for trying to explain it and her for taking the the breath

[Chris_]

Ahem:

Authorities say skinhead plot wasn't fully formed

BELLS, Tenn. (AP) - Two white supremacists charged with plotting to behead blacks across the country and assassinate Barack Obama while wearing white top hats and tuxes were likely too disorganized to carry out the plot, authorities said, and their planning was riddled with blunders.

Paul Schlesselman, 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark., and Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells are accused of dreaming up the plan. While authorities say they had guns capable of creating carnage, documents show they never got close to getting off the ground.

Among the blunders: They drew attention to themselves by etching swastikas on a car with sidewalk chalk, only knew each other for a month, couldn't even pull off a house robbery, and a friend ratted them out to authorities.

"Certainly these men have some frightening weapons and some very frightening plans," said Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, who studies the white supremacy movement. "But with the part about wearing top hats ... it gets a bit hard to take them seriously."

 

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[BlueStateSaint]

do you feel its equally serious that a doll in West Hollywood is hanging by a rope and is dressed to look like Governor Palin?

Bridget, I know youre too young to remember what living thru Jimmy Carter was like, but a lot of the rest of us do. And we barely survived, but survive we did and America kicked his ass right back out after four long years.

but I have this feeling that Obama is your generations Carter; you think he's all shiny and new and since none of you kids know what a true socialist/communist is, because you never learned about it in school - you are going to be shocked and amazed how much farther the bottom is going to fall out of this country. Maybe four years thru an Obama presidency and you might understand why some Americans feel strongly that he is the wrong person at this point in time to lead such an amazing country.

Did the skinheads take it too far? Who knows.. didnt read the story. But when your freedoms and liberties are being threatened by the already minted President Obama, then dont be suprised when people go a bit nuts. It's not just Dems who can protest and break people's stuff and cause injury... you and the rest of the lefties are about to get a real history lesson in socialism that you never could dream of.

Count on it if the boy child is elected.

And, Lanie, you just might find out why the Second Amendment was included in the Bill Of Rights, and you will not like that demonstration.

[RightCoast]

Just to clarify for everybody, I am not saying these neo skinheads are Republican. Hell, I don't even care if they are Republican or Democrat. I just care that they exist. I do also care that people act like it's not that big of a deal just because they're not supporting Obama's side. Obama is a human being. People at a gun store that might get robbed are human beings. Potential murder victims at a high school are human beings. That's what's supposed to be important. Not whether the attacks happened against your candidate or not.

How about these two guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

Do you care the same amount that these people exist???

[Chris_]

How about these two guys?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks

Do you care the same amount that these people exist???

FTBK

[Airwolf]

Yes Briget, you are.  (BS for asking by the way.)

A) Using the word "planning" with reference to what these two were up to seems just a bit inflated, don't you think?  I find it highly unlikely they had actionable intelligence on the whereabouts of teh Obamessiah at any kind of specific timeframe.  

B) Any credible threat to a presidential candidate's safety would realize fairly early, that if one of the conditions for success of a purported assassination "plan" is the step: "Rob the gun store/National Guard Armory/SuperFriends Fortress of Solitude", the plan is doomed from the outset.

C) Finally, given what I've personally seen this election season (I live in Colorado, and have seen teh BarackStar! pass through my beloved state twice, and Sarah Palin (mmmmmmmmmm) once) with the Secret Service closing MAJOR HIGHWAYS and city streets alike when their political charge comes through on a campaign stop, what chance did they have of getting within TWO MILES of teh Anointed One, even if they DID have foreknowledge of where he was going to be and when?  Three words Bridget: NOT BLOODY LIKELY.

This article reeks of the hyper attention the media made of the two meth heads from Kansas; you know, the ones who hopped in their pick-up truck with the deer rifle sighted in to 750 yards   to take their shot at Obama during the convention.  There was no threat to the Obamessiah's safety then, and there is no threat to the Obamessiah's safety now.

I happened to have seen two Secret Service escorts in my life. One was when President Bush 41 was in Omaha for a dinner. I just happened to come on it as it was leaving West Omaha via the Dodge street - I-80 exit. I lost count at the number of cars,SUVs. Police cars and unmarked cars there were in the line. Good luck guessing which one might have had Bush in it.

The second time was when ALGORE was in Des Moines. I don't remember where in downtown it was but it was the same thing again only from farther back by at least two blocks. No ones going to get as close as Hinkley did back in the 80's ever again if the SS can help it.