the primitives imagine themselves as Nazis

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4284707

Oh my.

texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts)      Tue Oct-21-08 11:46 PM
Original message

I wonder if I had lived in Nazi Germany during WW II - not being Jewish - if I would have been on the right side of history? Would I have helped and/or hidden Jews, doing whatever I could to protect the persecuted under threat of death?

I wonder if I had lived during slavery if I would have been on the right side of history? Would I have been brave enough to help African Americans in any way I could again under threat of death or under threat of harm? Would I have had the moral character, the strength, the will, the Spirit and soul to stand up to the evil so pervasive at that time? Would I have been selfish and self-serving seeking only to preserve my own body and my own life? Would I have avoided confrontation and accepted "the way things were"?

I found myself thinking these things in the last few days. With the hatred and racism and fear coming from the McSame campaign I began to wonder why had I evolved to think that character is more important than skin color? Why do I think the "religious right" is so "UnChristian"?

By the Grace of God I have grown beyond the bigotry of my ancestors...after which a bunch of pro-Big Zero tripe and nonsense, not worth copying-and-pasting

Well now, the Texas rat primitive being a primitive, it's pretty much a sure thing the Texas rat primitive would've been one of those Germans on the wrong side of history.

In case no one's noticed, unborn infants are oftentimes referred to, on Skins's island, in terms eerily similar with words the Nazis used to decribe the Jews and other eastern Europeans.

And of course the common sentiment on Skins's island among the primitives that George Bush, Richard Cheney, Karl Rove, &c., &c., &c., and all other decent and civilized people should be shot or hung without trial, nicely resembles Nazi philosophy.

And this banning of opinions the primitives don't like....

And so on and on and on and on.

BrklynLiberal  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-21-08 11:52 PM
Response to Original message
 
1. I supported Edwards back then also...but am now a very enthusiastic Obama supporter. 

As for your first point, I think it is always very difficult to imagine how we would act under circumstances that we have not experienced. I believe that most of us would be surprised at our own courage and determination to do the right thing.

But, we never really know...even a pastor who eventually came to oppose Hitler, named Martin Niemoller was compelled to admit that he had disappointed himself.

First they came for the Communists,
- but I was not a communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists,
- but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews,
- but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

Okay folks, the broken liberal has grievously distorted the quote; I'm not 100% certain the exact thing that was said, but I don't recall "Communists" being in the quote--and MOST of all not the first-mentioned--and there was something about Roman Catholics too.

Some distortion going on here, but that's always to be expected.

The Shadow (367 posts)     Wed Oct-22-08 12:17 AM
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9. As Martin Niemoller So Eloquently Put It

I think that many of us (myself included) would like to believe that we would not go along. But you have to understand that it was easy for the Germans to believe that they were on the right side of history then. As time passed the reality of it all set in for most Germans, but it was too late as Martin Niemoller said.

If you want to get some idea of what it may have been like ask yourself how you initially felt (I mean at first, in all honesty) after the attacks on 911 and how you felt about the actions of the government as far as being asked to give up some of our personal freedoms for the sake of the war on terror.

Because this is exactly what happened, for example, when the Reich stag was supposedly burned down by the jews (the nazis staged the whole thing). Hitler called it a terrorist act and soon asked the German populace to give up some of their freedoms in order to defeat Germany's enemies.

Most Germans were more than willing to do this because after all, it wouldn't affect them being law abiding citizens and all. Of course we all know what happens when any government is given these kinds of authority, just look at the abuses by this current administration. This is a true, although simplified, version of the events as they happened in Germany.

Wow.  More than seven years after 9/11 and all these "police state tactics," and Skins's island still continues to flourish and prosper, the primitives free to keep shooting off their mouths?

Where's the nacht und nebel?

MannyGoldstein  (1000+ posts)        Tue Oct-21-08 11:53 PM
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2. The Very Fact That You're Posting On This Site and asking this question demonstrates that you'd be a "good guy/gal"

Sorry, manny, so sorry, but you're 180 degrees off the mark.

Primitives follow the herd.

The Shadow (367 posts)     Wed Oct-22-08 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #10
 
13. Yes Even Here In America At That Time

But, understand, the Jews were only one of many groups openly and lawfully persecuted in nazi Germany, Gypsies, Slovakian, Poles, Russians, etc. etc. etc. Many peoples were considered to be subhuman in the eyes of the nazis and Germans and unfortunately paid with their lives.

Uh-huh.  Just as the unborn are considered "subhuman" in the dark beady little eyes of the primitives.

Fumesucker  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-22-08 01:41 AM
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27. I would say that the odds are about 60/40 that I would have been active In the Resistance/Underground Railroad or whatever.

I'm basically a born contrarian, if everyone else is doing A, B and C I'm likely to do Q, M and R..

Are you familiar with the White Rose Society? They paid a high price for not going with the program.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/r... 

Yeah, right, the fumesucking primitive would've joined Lord Marblehead's DUAC and sent off some e-mails.

And uh-oh, we're about to lose another overweight primitive:

FatDave  (1000+ posts)        Wed Oct-22-08 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #32

33. Which is precisely why I'm planning on getting the **** out of dodge if McCain should somehow "win".

Isn't the fat primitive the middle-aged primitive who recently got kicked out of his parents' house, and is now motorcycling across America?

[DumbAss Tanker]

Everybody likes to think they would have been on the right side established by hindsight if they'd been born into 1920s Germany, the antebellum South, Imperial Rome, etc.  Almost all of them are wrong.

[jukin]

Of course the DUchebags would be NAZIs.


Of that, I have absolutely no doubt.

[Carl]

Of course the DUchebags would be NAZIs.


Of that, I have absolutely no doubt.

Didn`t the socialists of Germany incite the populace to the Nazi party by telling them that Jews and their wealth were the reason for their woes or at least part of it?

Sounds more like DUmmies then conservatives.

[TheSarge]

Of course the DUchebags would be NAZIs.


Of that, I have absolutely no doubt.

Nah they wouldn't have had the guts or physical abilities to even join the regular German Army at that time.

They'd have been the spineless snitches that ratted out their friends and neighbors to the SS and Gestapo.

[Flame]

My mom was born in Germany in 1935...I remember as kid her telling me that at the beginning, the NAZI party didn't seem like a bad thing (I guess it's what she was told by her parent/family).  People were prosperous, there was little crime, etc.  Then things started to spiral out of control.   I have no doubt the DUmmies would be part of that party, probably along with quite a few republicans.  Sometimes you can't see the true picture of something until you look at it from the other side.   What is that saying...hindsight is 20/20?

[Chris_]

 What is that saying...hindsight is 20/20?

In this case however, the saying is:

Those who refuse to LEARN from history are doomed to repeat it.

[franksolich]

Nah they wouldn't have had the guts or physical abilities to even join the regular German Army at that time.

They'd have been the spineless snitches that ratted out their friends and neighbors to the SS and Gestapo.

You got that right.

[lastparker]

Didn`t the socialists of Germany incite the populace to the Nazi party by telling them that Jews and their wealth were the reason for their woes or at least part of it?

Sounds more like DUmmies then conservatives.

We have a winnah!

My Mom and GP's were in Germany when the whole miserable affair began.  My Grandfather was basically a forest ranger, and therefore a government employee.  When they told him he had to become a member of the Nazi party, he said, "Nah" and moved the family to Czechoslovakia.

[USA4ME]

the primitives imagine themselves as Nazis

Having read them fairly consistently for the past 5 years, imagining themselves as Nazis and the reality of who they are was a short trip, definately not something they would have to dwell that long wondering.

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[MrsSmith]

My grandparents were Austrian, so not involved for a time.  It was not common knowledge what, exactly, was being done to the Jews and others.  The belief was that they were put in camps similar to the ones the US ran - which was completely untrue.  When my grandfather found out what was happening, he did join the underground.  He ended up in one of the camps, as did his brother.  My grandfather did live to be saved by, I think it was US soldiers.  His brother did not. 

I am not sure if it is the same "uncle" who has a huge gravestone in a park in Salzburg, or Bad Hall, but that one spoke out against Hitler in speeches and was killed for it.

Those who think the Nazis had any similarity to today's Republicans are ignorant and intolerant.

Edit to add image:

[Chris_]

Of course the DUchebags would be NAZIs.


Of that, I have absolutely no doubt.

Granted power over others with no need to work for  it?  Check!

Ability to force others to adopt your mind set, no matter how crazy?  Check!

Complete suppression of dissenting opinion?  Check!

Kill those who look at the world differently that you?  Check!

Get your work orders from others? Check!

Get your life opinions from others?  Check!

Yep -- the DUmmies would be Nazi Central.  Even their logo looks like the nazi logo.

[Crazy Horse]

I know many Germans. My father works for a German company and has for the past 27 years. I can tell you from when i was younger and a lot dumber I called one of the older ones a Nazi.......................................

I learned....................yet not fast enough. I called a neighbor that was German a Nazi when I was around 17............................

I did learn after that.....................when I was shown the number on his arm. He was and still is a great man. Designed some of the most popular boats from the 50's and 60's here in the mid Atlantic.

People are always saying that the N word is so bad.....................I'm sorry, but I now and have for about 20 years find the word Nazi a lot more offensive than the word ******.

[lastparker]

My grandparents were Austrian, so not involved for a time.  It was not common knowledge what, exactly, was being done to the Jews and others.  The belief was that they were put in camps similar to the ones the US ran - which was completely untrue.  When my grandfather found out what was happening, he did join the underground.  He ended up in one of the camps, as did his brother.  My grandfather did live to be saved by, I think it was US soldiers.  His brother did not. 

I am not sure if it is the same "uncle" who has a huge gravestone in a park in Salzburg, or Bad Hall, but that one spoke out against Hitler in speeches and was killed for it.

Those who think the Nazis had any similarity to today's Republicans are ignorant and intolerant.

Edit to add image:

Wow!  What amazing heroes you have as your ancestors!  Bless them.

[Airwolf]

Didn`t the socialists of Germany incite the populace to the Nazi party by telling them that Jews and their wealth were the reason for their woes or at least part of it?

Sounds more like DUmmies then conservatives.

It also sounds allot  like an Obamafurher speech

[Ptarmigan]

Primitives are Fascists. Being a Primitive is soul damning.