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Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« on: September 29, 2008, 12:51:41 PM »
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Massive financial bailout fails in the House
Debate prior to balloting showed deep reservations about $700 billion plan

WASHINGTON - The House of Representatives rejected a $700 billion bailout today following extended debate where many members, including some who brokered the deal with it, was highly unpopular.

The preliminary vote was 185-197. Members had a limited amount of time to change their votes. Following the deadline, the margin was growing for those opposed to the measure.

Even as the electronic roll call began, Democratic and Republican leaders were uncertain about having enough votes to pass the politically unpopular plan. It's the most sweeping government intervention in markets since the Great Depression.

The bailout puts in place an unprecedented federal program to buy up rotten assets from cash-starved firms. The goal is to free up choked credit that was threatening to cause broader market turmoil.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2008, 12:53:00 PM »
By no means do I assume that this is "over", but SCORE ONE FOR THE GOOD GUYS!
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2008, 12:53:51 PM »
fox is running a split screen, at one point the dow went to -588

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Breaking: House rejects Trillion-Dollar-Plus Crap Sandwich
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 01:00:37 PM »
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The votes have been tallied.

228 NAY.

205 YEA.

The Crap Sandwich goes down in flames.

Still no official announcement on the House floor. Lots of yelling for “order.”

Someone has changed his/her vote.

It’s now 227 NAY, 206 YEA, 1 Not Voting.


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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2008, 01:02:15 PM »
My rat's ass meter for the Dow only extends so far as to be concerned for all those who still have 401(k)s tied into that nightmare anymore.  Playing Russian Roulette is not the same thing as SAVING for your retirement.  Kinda like basing your retirement plan on how the Blackjack table treats you.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 01:15:02 PM »
My rat's ass meter for the Dow only extends so far as to be concerned for all those who still have 401(k)s tied into that nightmare anymore.  Playing Russian Roulette is not the same thing as SAVING for your retirement.  Kinda like basing your retirement plan on how the Blackjack table treats you.

Well, I do give a rat's ass about it. our livlihood depends on the interconnectedness and health of these things. And most of you are fooling yourselves if you think this isn't important to you too. When a company can not get more then .01 %(that's not 1 percent, that's 1 hundreth of 1 percent) on overnight funds, where do you think they are going to start cutting back? hmm? Especially when their budgets are already stretched to the max? I know it's fun to get a chuckle at the wall street set(which we aren't exactly part of working in a seperate niche), but it will trickle down. I actually hated to think of this happening to fellow Americans, but the more both conservatives and liberals wish ill will on basically 'my house' and the house of many others I know in the business, the more I wouldn't mind seeing a little vengance reaped on those cackling gleefully in the corner at the failings of others made, I might add, on policies encouraged by our federal government. Does that mean I think everything should be left intact? No, and it won't be...too much has already happened for that, but I certainly don't want to test the limits on this and watch people NOT intimately involved get their asses handed to them in the fallout.

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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008, 01:22:49 PM »
My rat's ass meter for the Dow only extends so far as to be concerned for all those who still have 401(k)s tied into that nightmare anymore.  Playing Russian Roulette is not the same thing as SAVING for your retirement.  Kinda like basing your retirement plan on how the Blackjack table treats you.

Well, I do give a rat's ass about it. our livlihood depends on the interconnectedness and health of these things. And most of you are fooling yourselves if you think this isn't important to you too. When a company can not get more then .01 %(that's not 1 percent, that's 1 hundreth of 1 percent) on overnight funds, where do you think they are going to start cutting back? hmm? Especially when their budgets are already stretched to the max? I know it's fun to get a chuckle at the wall street set(which we aren't exactly part of working in a seperate niche), but it will trickle down. I actually hated to think of this happening to fellow Americans, but the more both conservatives and liberals wish ill will on basically 'my house' and the house of many others I know in the business, the more I wouldn't mind seeing a little vengance reaped on those cackling gleefully in the corner at the failings of others made, I might add, on policies encouraged by our federal government. Does that mean I think everything should be left intact? No, and it won't be...too much has already happened for that, but I certainly don't want to test the limits on this and watch people NOT intimately involved get their asses handed to them in the fallout.

H5, nice to see some sanity injected into all the chest-thumping on this.  Unpopular or not, there are very heavy extended consequences that go along with tubing this, a lot deeper than most of the crtiics seem to be able to grasp.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2008, 01:26:24 PM »
My rat's ass meter for the Dow only extends so far as to be concerned for all those who still have 401(k)s tied into that nightmare anymore.  Playing Russian Roulette is not the same thing as SAVING for your retirement.  Kinda like basing your retirement plan on how the Blackjack table treats you.

Well, I do give a rat's ass about it. our livlihood depends on the interconnectedness and health of these things. And most of you are fooling yourselves if you think this isn't important to you too. When a company can not get more then .01 %(that's not 1 percent, that's 1 hundreth of 1 percent) on overnight funds, where do you think they are going to start cutting back? hmm? Especially when their budgets are already stretched to the max? I know it's fun to get a chuckle at the wall street set(which we aren't exactly part of working in a seperate niche), but it will trickle down. I actually hated to think of this happening to fellow Americans, but the more both conservatives and liberals wish ill will on basically 'my house' and the house of many others I know in the business, the more I wouldn't mind seeing a little vengance reaped on those cackling gleefully in the corner at the failings of others made, I might add, on policies encouraged by our federal government. Does that mean I think everything should be left intact? No, and it won't be...too much has already happened for that, but I certainly don't want to test the limits on this and watch people NOT intimately involved get their asses handed to them in the fallout.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2008, 01:29:11 PM »
My rat's ass meter for the Dow only extends so far as to be concerned for all those who still have 401(k)s tied into that nightmare anymore.  Playing Russian Roulette is not the same thing as SAVING for your retirement.  Kinda like basing your retirement plan on how the Blackjack table treats you.

Well, I do give a rat's ass about it. our livlihood depends on the interconnectedness and health of these things. And most of you are fooling yourselves if you think this isn't important to you too. When a company can not get more then .01 %(that's not 1 percent, that's 1 hundreth of 1 percent) on overnight funds, where do you think they are going to start cutting back? hmm? Especially when their budgets are already stretched to the max? I know it's fun to get a chuckle at the wall street set(which we aren't exactly part of working in a seperate niche), but it will trickle down. I actually hated to think of this happening to fellow Americans, but the more both conservatives and liberals wish ill will on basically 'my house' and the house of many others I know in the business, the more I wouldn't mind seeing a little vengance reaped on those cackling gleefully in the corner at the failings of others made, I might add, on policies encouraged by our federal government. Does that mean I think everything should be left intact? No, and it won't be...too much has already happened for that, but I certainly don't want to test the limits on this and watch people NOT intimately involved get their asses handed to them in the fallout.



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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2008, 01:30:24 PM »
H5, nice to see some sanity injected into all the chest-thumping on this.  Unpopular or not, there are very heavy extended consequences that go along with tubing this, a lot deeper than most of the crtiics seem to be able to grasp.
If this really is needed then the Congress needs to do a better job of selling it to the American people who aren't stupid. They have to come up with something better than "The sky is falling, give us the money NOW!".
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2008, 01:35:45 PM »
My rat's ass meter for the Dow only extends so far as to be concerned for all those who still have 401(k)s tied into that nightmare anymore.  Playing Russian Roulette is not the same thing as SAVING for your retirement.  Kinda like basing your retirement plan on how the Blackjack table treats you.

Well, I do give a rat's ass about it. our livlihood depends on the interconnectedness and health of these things. And most of you are fooling yourselves if you think this isn't important to you too. When a company can not get more then .01 %(that's not 1 percent, that's 1 hundreth of 1 percent) on overnight funds, where do you think they are going to start cutting back? hmm? Especially when their budgets are already stretched to the max? I know it's fun to get a chuckle at the wall street set(which we aren't exactly part of working in a seperate niche), but it will trickle down. I actually hated to think of this happening to fellow Americans, but the more both conservatives and liberals wish ill will on basically 'my house' and the house of many others I know in the business, the more I wouldn't mind seeing a little vengance reaped on those cackling gleefully in the corner at the failings of others made, I might add, on policies encouraged by our federal government. Does that mean I think everything should be left intact? No, and it won't be...too much has already happened for that, but I certainly don't want to test the limits on this and watch people NOT intimately involved get their asses handed to them in the fallout.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion - and I admit to being in a distinct minority with my own.  

It doesn't change the facts though, that because these ****ers leveraged and banked your investment on the government bailing them out when their poor business decisions led to the inevitable results, whether the bail out happens or not the US economy is a 'plane going DOWN.  Some think that the bailout will soften the crash at the end of that drop, others think that it'll just create another "Bubble" that artificially inflates a really bad situation, leaving us in line for an even bigger hit when that bubble bursts.  Regardless, the market forces are about to prove - once again - to those alert enough to watch for it, that GOVERNMENT MEDDLING in free markets which it cannot control, and demonstrably has no understanding of, cannot make BAD business decisions GOOD.  The Congress can throw more and more socialism and "market controls" on, and try to convince themselves that they can keep the "American people" from feeling the hurt - and then taking it out on the incompetents that created this mess.  Market forces will prevail however.  They always do.

As for all of us being intertwined in this damned thing; well, I'M NOT.  I am an engineer with my own fabrication tools in my garage, and no fear of Manual Labor.  That means that I can sell to anybody else who managed to think farther ahead than a ****in' day-trader whatever they need to advance THEIR American dream, and thereby advance MY American dream just that much more.  I've got no doubt that WHEN the economy goes in the tank, I'll feel the hurt as well; but I'm not losing MY "savings" hand over fist because it was banked on the Stock Market doing the impossible.  
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2008, 01:39:45 PM »
H5, nice to see some sanity injected into all the chest-thumping on this.  Unpopular or not, there are very heavy extended consequences that go along with tubing this, a lot deeper than most of the crtiics seem to be able to grasp.
If this really is needed then the Congress needs to do a better job of selling it to the American people who aren't stupid. They have to come up with something better than "The sky is falling, give us the money NOW!".

I would say more like "Willfully ignorant" than "Stupid."  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what happens when small businesses have about ten bucks for a line of credit.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2008, 01:55:43 PM »
I think the market is still a viable option for long term investment.  I'm a small business owner, so I don't have a 401k, but I have a large portion of my retirement money going into a roth IRA and I'm not too worried about it.  Heck, between now and the time I want to retire, I'm expecting things to grow sufficiently.  Over its history the market has grown by what, 11 or 12%?  People need to look long term instead of being so darned short sighted. 
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2008, 02:02:05 PM »
My rat's ass meter for the Dow only extends so far as to be concerned for all those who still have 401(k)s tied into that nightmare anymore.  Playing Russian Roulette is not the same thing as SAVING for your retirement.  Kinda like basing your retirement plan on how the Blackjack table treats you.

Well, I do give a rat's ass about it. our livlihood depends on the interconnectedness and health of these things. And most of you are fooling yourselves if you think this isn't important to you too. When a company can not get more then .01 %(that's not 1 percent, that's 1 hundreth of 1 percent) on overnight funds, where do you think they are going to start cutting back? hmm? Especially when their budgets are already stretched to the max? I know it's fun to get a chuckle at the wall street set(which we aren't exactly part of working in a seperate niche), but it will trickle down. I actually hated to think of this happening to fellow Americans, but the more both conservatives and liberals wish ill will on basically 'my house' and the house of many others I know in the business, the more I wouldn't mind seeing a little vengance reaped on those cackling gleefully in the corner at the failings of others made, I might add, on policies encouraged by our federal government. Does that mean I think everything should be left intact? No, and it won't be...too much has already happened for that, but I certainly don't want to test the limits on this and watch people NOT intimately involved get their asses handed to them in the fallout.




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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2008, 02:16:04 PM »
Gov't becoming more deeply involved in a problem caused by gov't was a bad deal.  You don't reward the employee who lost the big account by giving him control over all the big accounts.  More free market solutions is the answer.  Hopefully the conservatives and moderates in more conservative districts will hold out for a better bill, like reducing the capital gains tax, etc... that will invite capital investment.

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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2008, 02:25:01 PM »

the dems are still in the majority.  there is a real danger that they will cram an even worse bill down the house republicans' throats later in the week.  and maybe the senate will be desperate enough to pass it, and maybe the president will be desperate enough to sign it.


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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2008, 02:35:16 PM »

the dems are still in the majority.  there is a real danger that they will cram an even worse bill down the house republicans' throats later in the week.  and maybe the senate will be desperate enough to pass it, and maybe the president will be desperate enough to sign it.



I've been looking over at the DUmp.  They are rabidly against it, but for different reasons than most of us.

Still odd when we agree with them.

Same thing on some other boards I'm on.  You have liberals and conservatives agreeing on this one, then arguing about WHY it's bad.  It's kind of funny at times.
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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2008, 02:39:56 PM »
apparently pelosi delivered another one of her PMS-assisted lunatic rants just before the roll call that blamed the entire mess on george bush and the republicans, and ended up costing herself GOP votes.  whether it was enough votes to have made a difference is another story, but if she wanted it to pass, all she had to do was keep her pie hole shut.

that woman has utterly poisoned the well in the house.  The BarackStar! has long since stopped talking about hope, healing, and unity, but even if he suddenly changed his mind, he is now looking at deficit of goodwill about as big as the grand canyon.

oh, and the doddering old man over in the senate has done about the same thing there. 

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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2008, 02:49:49 PM »
apparently pelosi delivered another one of her PMS-assisted lunatic rants just before the roll call that blamed the entire mess on george bush and the republicans, and ended up costing herself GOP votes.  whether it was enough votes to have made a difference is another story, but if she wanted it to pass, all she had to do was keep her pie hole shut.

that woman has utterly poisoned the well in the house.  The BarackStar! has long since stopped talking about hope, healing, and unity, but even if he suddenly changed his mind, he is now looking at deficit of goodwill about as big as the grand canyon.

oh, and the doddering old man over in the senate has done about the same thing there. 
I read a comment on FR which indicated that Pelosi's rant managed to scare off quite a few of her own side.  It'll be interesting to see how the aftermath pans out.



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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2008, 03:13:30 PM »
:cheersmate: to the House, and  :cheersmate: for more opportunities to buy stocks on the cheap!

+1 I took a beating when the housing market crashed...time for everyone else to follow in line.  The correction will happen, might as well get it over with now and not postpone it for 3 years.  Let the correction HAPPEN.  It's not my place or the gov't's place to bail out bad investments. 

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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2008, 03:18:39 PM »
apparently pelosi delivered another one of her PMS-assisted lunatic rants just before the roll call that blamed the entire mess on george bush and the republicans, and ended up costing herself GOP votes.  whether it was enough votes to have made a difference is another story, but if she wanted it to pass, all she had to do was keep her pie hole shut.

that woman has utterly poisoned the well in the house.  The BarackStar! has long since stopped talking about hope, healing, and unity, but even if he suddenly changed his mind, he is now looking at deficit of goodwill about as big as the grand canyon.

oh, and the doddering old man over in the senate has done about the same thing there. 
I read a comment on FR which indicated that Pelosi's rant managed to scare off quite a few of her own side.  It'll be interesting to see how the aftermath pans out.

40% of the Democrats....votes NO. Pelosi stood there at the news conference and said the reason the Bailout Bill didn't pass is because 12 Republicans didn't vote aye.

40%(93) is a heck of a lot of members who didn't like it either!

What the Democrats did by coming out and blaming all the Republicans....they shot themselves in the collective foot. While they were speaking publically.....the DOW dropped another 200 points!

People are sick and tired of Pelosi/Reid and their collective asinine comments.

Tomorrow is Rosh Hashanah....so nothing will get done before late Wednesday or Thursday at the earliest.



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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
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40% of the Democrats....votes NO. Pelosi stood there at the news conference and said the reason the Bailout Bill didn't pass is because 12 Republicans didn't vote aye.

40%(93) is a heck of a lot of members who didn't like it either!

What the Democrats did by coming out and blaming all the Republicans....they shot themselves in the collective foot. While they were speaking publically.....the DOW dropped another 200 points!

People are sick and tired of Pelosi/Reid and their collective asinine comments.

Tomorrow is Rosh Hashanah....so nothing will get done before late Wednesday or Thursday at the earliest.
The trouble is the media will pick up with this and run.  Looks like the Republicans will get stuck with the blame for everything.  Not to worry President Hope'n'change will put everything right.  :(



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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2008, 03:24:02 PM »
Anytime the House can get Pelosi to look this sad and defeated, I trust whatever happened was a good thing for America. When she's happy, I'm scared.


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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2008, 03:28:14 PM »
apparently pelosi delivered another one of her PMS-assisted lunatic rants just before the roll call that blamed the entire mess on george bush and the republicans, and ended up costing herself GOP votes.  whether it was enough votes to have made a difference is another story, but if she wanted it to pass, all she had to do was keep her pie hole shut.

that woman has utterly poisoned the well in the house.  The BarackStar! has long since stopped talking about hope, healing, and unity, but even if he suddenly changed his mind, he is now looking at deficit of goodwill about as big as the grand canyon.

oh, and the doddering old man over in the senate has done about the same thing there. 
I read a comment on FR which indicated that Pelosi's rant managed to scare off quite a few of her own side.  It'll be interesting to see how the aftermath pans out.

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Re: Massive financial bailout fails in the House
« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2008, 03:37:23 PM »
Anytime the House can get Pelosi to look this sad and defeated, I trust whatever happened was a good thing for America. When she's happy, I'm scared.



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