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Taverner (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-23-08 12:52 PMOriginal message Capitalism has Failed. Is it time to seize the means of production yet? This goes on every 10-20 years. The economy crumbles, and people lose jobs, the rich get richer, and the coffers get emptied into rich people's pockets. Yay!So why don't people get it through their thick skulls: Capitalism has Failed. Epic Fail. It will fail again, and again. This is a margin call, basically. The rich want our money, and something like this comes along to wipe us all out. The rich never liked the Middle Class anyway - they are more informed than the poor and they vote. So Capitalism is a tool to eradicate the Middle Class.Think about what made the Middle Class - it wasn't tax cuts. It was programs, SOCIALIST programs like the G I Bill, like Pell Grants, and Public Works programs. It wasn't Bush's Tax Cuts, and it wasn't invading any country that has resources we want.So tell me - when can we seize the means of production and start singing the Internationale. I'm ready...
Taverner (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-23-08 12:59 PMResponse to Reply #3 4. Capitalism has no mechanism for safeguarding Democracy In fact its almost like a virus that infects democracy.
tama (837 posts) Tue Sep-23-08 02:37 PMResponse to Reply #30 31. Maybe past tense would be more appropriate? "Captialism had its place" in the great scheme of things - but for gods' sake, if we call ourselves homo SAPIENS, lets try to learn from the mistakes and not repeat them.
BraneMatter (99 posts) Wed Sep-24-08 10:40 AMResponse to Reply #30 52. Yeah, in Hell... America is rotting because of capitalist greed.
tama (837 posts) Tue Sep-23-08 01:37 PMResponse to Reply #5 20. Capitalism has worked extremely well in destroying the ecosystems of this planet that also human life depends on, is a part of.
MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-23-08 01:49 PMResponse to Reply #20 24. Well, yeah. It's also lowered the infant mortality rate, raised life expectencies, provided things like communications and medical care, etc.The planet would be much better off if we all swung from trees and only lived to be 30, but I don't think that's the argument here.
tama (837 posts) Tue Sep-23-08 01:54 PMResponse to Reply #24 25. Oh no, I'm sure there is no argument. Mother nature doesn't argue or negotiate. It's "tough love", all the way... And as for the "primitive" way of life, please try re-educate yourself instead of believing the hobbesian shite.
tama (837 posts) Wed Sep-24-08 11:02 AMResponse to Reply #49 65. "Acceptable" Well, to begin with, what you Euro-Americans mean by "progress" is by rule non-acceptable to the peoples you conquer and slaughter in the name of your "progress". White man's burden, manifest destiny and all that progressive shit...
MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-24-08 11:08 AMResponse to Reply #65 70. Ok, I think I know where you stand. Your stance is a little extreme for me. We're probably going to disagree on this issue.
tama (837 posts) Wed Sep-24-08 11:25 AMResponse to Reply #70 77. "Little extreme" is rather your perpetual war against us, the decent people.
MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-24-08 11:33 AMResponse to Reply #77 85. Yes, I'm sure you're right. Like I said, we're probably just going to have to admit we don't agree.
tama (837 posts) Wed Sep-24-08 11:52 AMResponse to Reply #85 88. Opinions can be agreed or disagreed, every asshole has an opinion and that does not make the asshole anything but an asshole. There is more to matters of life and death than mere personal opinions. There are conscience, ethics, etc., there is the voice of Nature. Progressive concept of time is Chronos like: perpetual revolution kept in motion by eating the children, eating more and more at at constantly increasing pace for more and more generations to come - not.What your tribe is doing to other tribes and especially to your own fills me with great sadness.
tama (837 posts) Tue Sep-23-08 02:00 PMResponse to Reply #18 27. A dictum subsumed by even more general principle: Any system dependent on unlimited growth in a limited environment fails without exception. In the end, every cancer growth is suicidal.
Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-23-08 03:59 PMResponse to Reply #27 36. You have a stupidly mercantilist view of economic growth. Doesn't surprise me though, such anti-growth views are typical of pseudo-Green misanthropes like yourself. Not all economic goods are physical things, which is why the mercantilist notion of economic growth is false. In the future or and more of the economy will be dominated by nonphysical goods, this is called the Information Age for a reason. Indeed, resource limitations and technology-based increases in efficiency will cause that to happen.
tama (837 posts) Tue Sep-23-08 05:05 PMResponse to Reply #36 39. Misanthrope? If you really want to know, I don't consider the likes of you real human beings, were are not of the same species. A sworn Homo Consumericus is not worthy of the name Sapiens, living its machine like existence in total denial of responsibility and prudent shame.
MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-23-08 01:49 PMResponse to Reply #2024. Well, yeah. It's also lowered the infant mortality rate, raised life expectencies, provided things like communications and medical care, etc.The planet would be much better off if we all swung from trees and only lived to be 30, but I don't think that's the argument here.
If you really want to know, I don't consider the likes of you real human beings, were are not of the same species. A sworn Homo Consumericus is not worthy of the name Sapiens, living its machine like existence in total denial of responsibility and prudent shame.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_re_as/as_china_elite_foodsThis was a piece about the milk scare in China......but it mostly unmasks the socialist dual class system that the DUmmies just plain refuse to believe exists. The leaders get the very best and the rest ...well they get trash.
Quote from: JohnnyReb on September 25, 2008, 12:19:18 AMhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080925/ap_on_re_as/as_china_elite_foodsThis was a piece about the milk scare in China......but it mostly unmasks the socialist dual class system that the DUmmies just plain refuse to believe exists. The leaders get the very best and the rest ...well they get trash. I`m not sure they refuse to believe it exists but instead in their idiotic,delusional thinking somehow believe they will be in that ruling upper class.Communism as always been about the enrichment of a very few off the enforced destitution of the masses.The barrel of a gun ensures that you have no opportunity to better yourself.That is the inevitable outcome of any type of Marxist stystem.
Holy Shit Asdf! You hit the motherload of lunacy with that thread!
Taverner (1000+ posts) Tue Sep-23-08 12:52 PMOriginal messageCapitalism has Failed. Is it time to seize the means of production yet?...So tell me - when can we seize the means of production and start singing the Internationale. I'm ready...
Actually what this proves is socialism does not work. It was the left forcing socialism in making loans to people that could not afford them. This socialist scheme trying to make equality of outcomes brought this mess. It was Carter starting the high risk loans and then Clinton forcing banks to make loans or be punished (Janet Reno). It was the democrats in both the HOR and the Senate that stopped more aggressive means testing and cracking down on the piggy banks freddie and fannie. Yes this is yet another failure of socialism. At least this time sixty million people did not die.If any DUmbass can prove this wrong, please do so.Come on over you won't be thrown out for having the wron..opposing viewpoint.
I may be wrong but..........The DUmp strikes me as being full of college students "educated" beyond their intellect.
Check out this video. It takes ten minutes but is one of the best and most concise on the democrat party fingers in this meltdown.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/26/video-financial-crisis-in-10-minutes-or-less/>Community reinvestment act[/url]Socialism just does not work.SUCK IT DUmmies!!
