Uncharacteristically low turnout for Barack Obama rally in Green Bay, Wisc.

[BlueStateSaint]

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Uncharacteristically low turnout for Barack Obama rally in Green Bay, Wisc.

McCain/Palin drew 4,000 more supporters at same venue a week ago

September 23, 2008

BY ABDON M. PALLASCH Staff Reporter
 
GREEN BAY, Wis. — Hoping to shore up support in his suddenly undependable backyard, Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama flew here Monday to talk about how he’d handle economic crises as president.

Recent polls have shown that Wisconsin — once pretty solidly in Obama’s column — is now a statistical dead heat between Obama and Republican John McCain.

“You all know that you hold this election in your hands,” Sen. Russ Feingold, a Democrat who said he worked on ethics legislation with Obama, told a crowd of about 6,000 cheering Obama fans in the arena next to Lambeau Field. “We just barely won this state for Al Gore in 2000 and we just barely won this state for John Kerry in 2004.”

The numbers in Wisconsin and Minnesota are getting close enough that the Obama campaign closed its 11 campaign offices in North Dakota and moved the 50 staffers there to these two states.

It's starting to turn!

The rest is at:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1178184,obamarally092208.article

[Wretched Excess]

I'm not sure.  brown county went 55-45 for bush in 2004.  it is a pleasant turnaround from the stories about the admiring throngs of people that turned out for him in the primaries

[miskie]

Ive decided I really have no idea how this is going to turn out anymore.

The polls show Obama with a growing, but statistically immaterial lead, yet according to voter demographics by the same polling groups Obama should be dead in the water by now. -- <<ALL>> the major demographics that Obama needs he has lost.

And then there are stories such as this that show that Obama just isn't generating the interest he once did, and instead all that interest has turned to Sarah Palin - The Republican VP nominee - who firstly shouldn't be anywhere near as important as the Presidential nominee of either party, and during an election year where good money would have predicted a Democrat win six months back.

Then there is this financial crisis that should spell total disaster for McCain, yet there is very little movement because of it.

And then the Bradley Effect, PUMAs etc..

[Wretched Excess]

Ive decided I really have no idea how this is going to turn out anymore.

The polls show Obama with a growing, but statistically immaterial lead, yet according to voter demographics by the same polling groups Obama should be dead in the water by now. -- <<ALL>> the major demographics that Obama needs he has lost.

And then there are stories such as this that show that Obama just isn't generating the interest he once did, and instead all that interest has turned to Sarah Palin - The Republican VP nominee - who firstly shouldn't be anywhere near as important as the Presidential nominee of either party, and during an election year where good money would have predicted a Democrat win six months back.

Then there is this financial crisis that should spell total disaster for McCain, yet there is very little movement because of it.

And then the Bradley Effect, PUMAs etc..

beyond PUMAs, I think there is a general female backlash brewing against the character assassination that the MSM is conducting against Gov. Palin.  and you are right, there are SO MANY unknowns in this election.  there are those gazillion new dem registrations in many of the swing states, and ACORN could turn StL county all by itself, and thus the state of missouri.  and who knows, maybe the "youth vote" will finally show up this year.

I am finally fairly confident that our base will turn out, but I'm not at all convinced that the pollsters have a functioning model of what's happening out there.

[Chris_]

beyond PUMAs, I think there is a general female backlash brewing against the character assassination that the MSM is conducting against Gov. Palin.  and you are right, there are SO MANY unknowns in this election.  there are those gazillion new dem registrations in many of the swing states, and ACORN could turn StL county all by itself, and thus the state of missouri.  and who knows, maybe the "youth vote" will finally show up this year.

I am finally fairly confident that our base will turn out, but I'm not at all convinced that the pollsters have a functioning model of what's happening out there.

Trust me, ACORN is being watched very carefully here in Missouri..........

Although the city "machines" are still capable of generating phantom votes, it is much more difficult than it was ten or so years ago.  During the last presidential election, there were FBI observers at virtually every polling place in St. Louis......

Their real power is if an election is very close.......the large city precincts will withold reporting vote counts until the very last minute so that if the numbers are close they can take some action.....its still possible, but not easy any longer.....

doc

[Wretched Excess]

beyond PUMAs, I think there is a general female backlash brewing against the character assassination that the MSM is conducting against Gov. Palin.  and you are right, there are SO MANY unknowns in this election.  there are those gazillion new dem registrations in many of the swing states, and ACORN could turn StL county all by itself, and thus the state of missouri.  and who knows, maybe the "youth vote" will finally show up this year.

I am finally fairly confident that our base will turn out, but I'm not at all convinced that the pollsters have a functioning model of what's happening out there.

Trust me, ACORN is being watched very carefully here in Missouri..........

Although the city "machines" are still capable of generating phantom votes, it is much more difficult than it was ten or so years ago.  During the last presidential election, there were FBI observers at virtually every polling place in St. Louis......

Their real power is if an election is very close.......the large city precincts will withold reporting vote counts until the very last minute so that if the numbers are close they can take some action.....its still possible, but not easy any longer.....

doc

the same judge or judges that have ordered the polls to remain open until every last dead person in Stl county has voted will do so again.
these things need to be resolved BEFORE the election.  by the time "keeping an eye on them" rolls around, it's already too late.

(quick question . . . is it the FBI's job to monitor polls?)

[Chris_]

the same judge or judges that have ordered the polls to remain open until every last dead person in Stl county has voted will do so again.
these things need to be resolved BEFORE the election.  by the time "keeping an eye on them" rolls around, it's already too late.

(quick question . . . is it the FBI's job to monitor polls?)

Actually it was Kit Bond's idea, they are there for exactly the scenario that you cited, if they attempt to get a judge to keep the polls open, the Feds will move with a "Federal" judge's order to uphold the state election law.....

doc

[whiffleball]

Just goes to show what a free rock concert, brats and beer will do to keep those crowds coming.

[Chris_]

Just goes to show what a free rock concert, brats and beer will do to keep those crowds coming.

If Da Nuge announced he was going on a 22 city tour with Sarah Palin between now and the election, we could probably bring the economy around with all of the conservatives that would quit or take leave from their jobs right the hell now and DeadHead around the country following that show all the way through to November.

[Chris_]

Just goes to show what a free rock concert, brats and beer will do to keep those crowds coming.

Meaning what?

[Baruch Menachem]

Obama usually has a headliner act with him when he tours.  For example, when he was here for the Oregon primary, he had Bruce Springsteen open for him.

Free bruce concert=75,000 folks show up.

[Lauri]

Ive decided I really have no idea how this is going to turn out anymore.

The polls show Obama with a growing, but statistically immaterial lead, yet according to voter demographics by the same polling groups Obama should be dead in the water by now. -- <<ALL>> the major demographics that Obama needs he has lost.

And then there are stories such as this that show that Obama just isn't generating the interest he once did, and instead all that interest has turned to Sarah Palin - The Republican VP nominee - who firstly shouldn't be anywhere near as important as the Presidential nominee of either party, and during an election year where good money would have predicted a Democrat win six months back.

Then there is this financial crisis that should spell total disaster for McCain, yet there is very little movement because of it.

And then the Bradley Effect, PUMAs etc..

beyond PUMAs, I think there is a general female backlash brewing against the character assassination that the MSM is conducting against Gov. Palin.  and you are right, there are SO MANY unknowns in this election.  there are those gazillion new dem registrations in many of the swing states, and ACORN could turn StL county all by itself, and thus the state of missouri.  and who knows, maybe the "youth vote" will finally show up this year.

I am finally fairly confident that our base will turn out, but I'm not at all convinced that the pollsters have a functioning model of what's happening out there.

agreed. i think the only thing to do is try and relax til November 5th and see what happens after the vote.

everything else till then is just opinion and speculation..

[Wretched Excess]

Ive decided I really have no idea how this is going to turn out anymore.

The polls show Obama with a growing, but statistically immaterial lead, yet according to voter demographics by the same polling groups Obama should be dead in the water by now. -- <<ALL>> the major demographics that Obama needs he has lost.

And then there are stories such as this that show that Obama just isn't generating the interest he once did, and instead all that interest has turned to Sarah Palin - The Republican VP nominee - who firstly shouldn't be anywhere near as important as the Presidential nominee of either party, and during an election year where good money would have predicted a Democrat win six months back.

Then there is this financial crisis that should spell total disaster for McCain, yet there is very little movement because of it.

And then the Bradley Effect, PUMAs etc..

beyond PUMAs, I think there is a general female backlash brewing against the character assassination that the MSM is conducting against Gov. Palin.  and you are right, there are SO MANY unknowns in this election.  there are those gazillion new dem registrations in many of the swing states, and ACORN could turn StL county all by itself, and thus the state of missouri.  and who knows, maybe the "youth vote" will finally show up this year.

I am finally fairly confident that our base will turn out, but I'm not at all convinced that the pollsters have a functioning model of what's happening out there.

agreed. i think the only thing to do is try and relax til November 5th and see what happens after the vote.

everything else till then is just opinion and speculation..

I like opinion and speculation, though.

[Airwolf]

Well one thing to look at going into the election is this. Which party had done everything they can to marginalize 50% of the country but doing everything they can to stop Hillary and now Sarah Palin with all the tricks at thier disposal?

 Hint: It's not the party with the Elephant for their logo.