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If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« on: September 22, 2008, 04:38:23 PM »
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php

Short version: Axelrod is the master of astroturfing, the technique of using insiders to create phony grassroots campaigns. One company Axelrod has used before, Winner & Associates, appears to be behind a campaign to make a youtube video linking Gov Palin to the Alaskan Indendence Party go viral. The videos were posted under account names such as eswinner. A person by the name of Eric S Winner is part of the company. The video has professional qualities (not your simple hack-jobs like I make) and uses a voice-over actor that has done Obama ads in the past. These videos have also been posted during normal business hours and have been accompanied by push campaigns through DKos and DU (our beloved EarlG is one of the pushers).

As this company charges BIG bucks and more than one company employee is involved it begs to be asked if this was a paid-for service? If it is then the Obama campaign is in DEEP @#$% over this because they have violated a fistful of election laws for the purpose of smearing Gov Palin with lies they wouldn't dare have Obama recite on camera.

EDIT: This'll make them say, "Ow!"

« Last Edit: September 22, 2008, 04:50:02 PM by Mr Snuggle Bunny »
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DUmmie "stckyfngz" suspected of astroturfing Palin hangs up on Weekly Standard
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2008, 04:52:05 PM »
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Jared Liu-Klein, the employee of Publicis' Winner & Associates who we believe is DU member "stckyfngz" and who we believe helped in the astroturfing campaign against Sarah Palin got a phone call from the Weekely Standard. He didn't deny he was "stckyfngz" and then he hung up. Weekly Standard:

I just spoke with Liu-Klein on the phone and asked him about the matter, but he said that he would have to get back to me later. I gave him my email address and asked if he could give me a simple yes or no answer if he had ever posted a video on the Internet about Sarah Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party. Liu-Klein replied: "I'll have to get back to you as soon as I can." Then he hung up the phone. I'll post Liu-Klein's response if and when I get it.
Hmmmm.......
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194176.php

If you follow the link above, you can see details of DU, Kos, and our old friend Ben Burch - http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194057.php much, much more at the link
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Re: DUmmie "stckyfngz" suspected of astroturfing Palin hangs up on Weekly Standard
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2008, 05:06:46 PM »
 :thatsright: but...but...but...I thought obama was a different kind of politician and his campaign would be all sweetness and light, once the evil Hillary was humbled and shown her place. I am just sooooo disillusioned.  :bawl:

nice bit of research by jawa
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Re: DUmmie "stckyfngz" suspected of astroturfing Palin hangs up on Weekly Standard
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2008, 05:10:31 PM »
I think Snuggles posted this too in another forum. I will wave the merge wand.
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2008, 06:38:17 PM »
Read the whole thing this morning and followed a few links. Good stuff and well worth reading so just giving a bump.
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2008, 06:41:10 PM »
Oh... if true, can we assume Obama is FECkd?
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 06:49:28 PM »
Quote from: Schadenfreude on September 22, 2008, 06:41:10 PM
Oh... if true, can we assume Obama is FECkd?

I've wanted to post "Obama = toasty legs" all day, lol, but I don't trust the MSM to pound Obama with this stuff.

That said...

An update I did not see this morning comes from The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/is_the_obama_campaign_behind_a_1.asp

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At The Jawa Report blog Rusty Shackleford reports that a professional PR firm appears to be spreading false attacks against Sarah Palin on the Internet.

A YouTube video that appears to have been produced by the PR firm Winner & Associates falsely claims Sarah Palin is a member of the Alaskan Independence Party. Shackleford has evidence that Jared Liu-Klein, an Associate at Winner & Associates, posted this video on website DemocraticUnderground.com more than a week after reports of Sarah Palin's membership in the party had been debunked.

I just spoke with Liu-Klein on the phone and asked him about the matter, but he said that he would have to get back to me later. I gave him my email address and asked if he could give me a simple yes or no answer if he had ever posted a video on the Internet about Sarah Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party. Liu-Klein replied: "I'll have to get back to you as soon as I can." Then he hung up the phone. I'll post Liu-Klein's response if and when I get it.
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2008, 07:02:39 PM »
so what would be the consequences for obama if it's shown he was linked to this in violation of FEC law?  or would david axelrod become the latest obama staffer to go for the trip under the bus?
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2008, 07:14:35 PM »
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Statement of Ethan Winner
The following is in response to questions I have received regarding the post on the Jawa Report website.

I produced and posted on the Internet the video entitled "Sarah Palin: A Heartbeat Away."

The idea for the video was mine. No one paid me to produce it. The only out-of-pocket cost will be the fee for the voice-over narrator, which I will pay personally when I receive an invoice. Contrary to the allegation in the Jawa Report, the voice-over artist has never done any work for the Obama campaign. I retained her through a talent agency based solely on the quality of her voice.

Neither the Obama campaign nor any independent political action committee has had a connection with the making and/or posting of this video. Just like the thousands of Americans who have posted videos on the Internet regarding the current Presidential campaign, I produced this video as an expression of my right to free speech, which is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

I believe the American people have a right and a need to know information about candidates for political office and their views. I made this video because I think it is important for the public to be aware of the association between Sarah and Todd Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party. The New York Times has reported that the Alaskan Independence Party website describes the party as seeking, in the words of the party, "a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority," including "advocacy for state's rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska."

While a number of media outlets have said that reports that Sarah Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party may have been erroneous, her attendance at the party's 1994 convention, her video speech to the 2008 convention and her husband's membership in the Alaskan Independence Party have not been called into question.

Some people have asked why I have pulled the video from the Internet. The reason is simple. Following the posting of personal information about me by the Jawa Report, my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails.

Sincerely,
Ethan Winner

As noted: why did it take him 15 hours to say this? Was it for everyone to get on the same page?
And how could he have pulled the vids inside an hour of the story breaking...in the wee hours of the night? Does that mean the right-side of teh internet activist community was pillorying him within minutes or is that just his cop-out?
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 07:18:42 PM »
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Some people have asked why I have pulled the video from the Internet. The reason is simple. Following the posting of personal information about me by the Jawa Report, my family began to receive threatening and abusive phone calls and emails.

Gee, the same thing happened to Sarah Palin after McCain announced she was his running mate.
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2008, 08:25:03 PM »
Statemen on the statement...
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194180.php

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He then goes on to sidestep the question of the lie he puts forth in the video: that Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party -- which she wasn't. That is empirical fact.

Instead, in his carefully crafted explanation of the video, he claims she once attended the party's convention and that her husband was a member. But that's not what the video claims. The video claims she was a member. That is a lie.

I take it back, this sounds more like the company lawyer, Justyn Winner, crafted the response. You don't defend the lie, instead you talk about everything but the lie. It might work to confuse juries Justyn, but come on dude!

Do I find his response hard to believe. Yes I do. I would especially note the carefully crafted future tense usage for when he will pay the voice over artist.

It's almost .... Clintonesque.

So, he produces the video. He pays for the video production -- out of his own pocket. He then posts it to YouTube using multiple phony identities.

Then he gets his friends at one of the largest PR firms in the world to post it on the internet, to suggest to others that they pass it on, and spend company time defending the outright lies in the video --- all for free?

And the multimillionaire who is President of the firm also spends his free time defending the lies on his "homemade" -- yet professionally voiced over -- video?

Ethan Winner throws himself under the Obama bus.  :whatever:
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2008, 09:13:24 PM »
Mr. Axelrod, you're no Karl Rove.
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2008, 11:55:19 PM »
here's what it sounds like to me.

guy made a video with a lie in it.. didnt realize what huge trouble it would cause him and so he yanked the thing.

too bad for him that the yanking doesnt solve the problem.

and yes, Obama is a dirty politician and nothing is too low for this guy.

but the AIP? he thinks this is supposed to scare people?  :popcorn:
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Re: If Traceable to Axelrod; Obama May be in Deep FEC Doo-Doo
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