Just a serious reminder.....

[CC27]

TVguyCards (344 posts)


Just a serious reminder.....

Right now this very moment when you read this, someone is about to die because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Seeing all these posts about Natalie Harp reminded me that sometimes we need to re-center ourselves and lock in. Focus.

UpInArms (55,963 posts)
1. We are truly a third world country

MLWR (1,306 posts)
3. And more and more of us wish we had your system. In all ways it is far more honest and above board.

FakeNoose (44,122 posts)
4. Do the wealthy Norwegians leave their country to avoid paying taxes?

I don't know the answer to that. But I do know that it takes an entirely different mindset and probably a different upbringing, to be willing to pay more than 60% of one's income to the government.

I'm not saying that Americans are better or worse, but we are different. Some Europeans used to come here because they liked our system better. Nowadays, not so much.

https://democraticunderground.com/100221451179

DUmmies want FREEEEEEEEEE!!!

[Ralph Wiggum]

Nothing is free. Someone pays for it, and it is always the rich and the average taxpayers. **** you and your class envy.

[RonE]

UpInArms (55,963 posts)
1. We are truly a third world country

I'd wager your home has running water and indoor plumbing. Not to mention heat and A/C. So...

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MLWR (1,306 posts)
3. And more and more of us wish we had your system. In all ways it is far more honest and above board.

so easily solved. MOVE!

[CC27]

Nothing is free. Someone pays for it, and it is always the rich and the average taxpayers. **** you and your class envy.

Norway's public healthcare system faces notable wait times for non-emergency specialist appointments and elective procedures, though urgent and life-threatening conditions are prioritized

[SVPete]

"Crowd-fund cancer treatment"? I'm not stupid enough to say that never happens - DUpipo, I'm looking at you - but a family member's cancer treatment is being paid by their employer's health plan. The family member did not have to resort to MediCal or Medicare. Also, the whole process from diagnosis through the currently ongoing treatment had delays between each stage of days or weeks, except for the postponement for our recent 2 1/2 week vacation.

Speaking of matters medical, how's Norway's delay times for diagnostic testing? Here in Silicon Valley, it's been 1-2 weeks for MRI scans. Looking at data for 2024, https://www.statista.com/statistics/282401/density-of-magnetic-resonance-imaging-units-by-country/ , the US is 4th in the world for scanners per capita and close enough to second that the difference is negligible; Japan has the most, not a European country. The chart does not have numbers for Norway, but judging by Scandinavian countries Finland and Denmark, MRI availability in Norway is somewhere between significantly lower and far lower than in the US.

CTI scanners ... this time there is per capita data for Norway, https://www.statista.com/statistics/266539/distribution-of-equipment-for-computer-tomography/ , and Norway has much fewer CT scanners than the US. The US is 7th in the world, with Norway 15th, a little bit less than Denmark.

Given Norway's lesser availability of major diagnostic tools, I wonder what the delays for treatments - e.g. chemotherapy infusions or surgery - after diagnosis delays might be. Some citizens of countries with "free" medical care come to the US for treatments rather than wait out months of possibly critical delays. I wonder how Norwegians fare for delays and for having the financial ability to afford medical tourism.

As for the meme's anti-business , maybe Norway's high taxes hobble Norway's businesses, hurting the businesses in the world marketplace and making Norwegian jobs more scarce than they should be.

[SVPete]

Nothing is free. Someone pays for it, and it is always the rich and the average taxpayers. **** you and your class envy.

Norway gets its government not-free-bies with bureaucratic overhead.

[SVPete]

UpInArms (55,963 posts)
1. We are truly a third world country

If stupidity were painful, this would be fatal.

Obviously, UpInArms has never seen third-world poverty up close and personal (I won't claim I have, but I'm realistic and don't hate the US). How many US poor people travel to garbage dumps outside their cities daily just to find bits of edible food? This is many residents of Cairo, Egypt's way of, well, survival. MaybeUpInArms should view the movie "Slumdog Millionaire". The scenes of poverty it shows are true to real life for the poor of India.

Is Mexico considered a third-world country? One of - if not the only - schools in Mexico for children with disabilities was built and is operated by Evangelical Christians from the US, with ongoing facilities improvements by teams from Evangelical churches in the US (guess how I know that).

I forget, is Haiti a paradise, because Trump called it a hellhole, or is it a hellhole, because Trump is ending TPS for Haitians who came here after the 2010 earthquake? Anyway, one of Haiti's major medical schools was founded and is operated by ... Christian missionaries.

Just because the US social system does not operate the way DUmmies fantasize would be Paradise-like does not make the US "Third World".

[SVPete]

Hmmmmmm ... if patient-paid medical care is so third-world, how did the UK, France, Germany, and the US become leaders in medical knowledge, expertise, and technology BEFORE "government-paid" healthcare?

[enslaved1]

Norway has a population of 5.6 million.  The Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex has a population of almost 8.5 million.  NYC has a population of just over 8.5 million.  Norway is 90% white Europeans, mostly native Norwegians.  The US is made up of dozens of nationalities and ethnicities, some who have been here for generations, some who are new comers, some who have assimilated well some who have not.  For these and dozens of other reasons, the comparison is apples and oranges, moonbats.  Not that this will stop you from trotting out your false equivalency, but it's a reminder that your argument is fertilizer. 

[Old n Grumpy]

Since your tax rate is so much higher you are paying for it, so it isn't "FREE"

Air is free so use all you want.

[Ralph Wiggum]

I'd wager your home has running water and indoor plumbing. Not to mention heat and A/C. So...

Democrats should have a day where they cannot use anything invented and developed by a white person, aka "the patriarchy".

Naturally that isn't possible, because most of the lefties are coddled mental midgets who rely on whitey's inventions to survive.

[SVPete]

Norway has a population of 5.6 million.  The Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex has a population of almost 8.5 million.  NYC has a population of just over 8.5 million.  Norway is 90% white Europeans, mostly native Norwegians.  The US is made up of dozens of nationalities and ethnicities, some who have been here for generations, some who are new comers, some who have assimilated well some who have not.  For these and dozens of other reasons, the comparison is apples and oranges, moonbats.  Not that this will stop you from trotting out your false equivalency, but it's a reminder that your argument is fertilizer.

Norway's population is also spread across a vastly larger and challenging geography than DFW and NYC. Which leads to something DU-grade Progs refuse to see. Different culture do things differently because they adapt and work within different geography, history, and traditional cultures. Until Marxian Socialism and Socialism Lite became fashionable in the mid 20th Century, countries developed without that ideology being imposed. Full-on Marxist and non-Marxist Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried. Socialism Lite is doing poorly or failing in places as diverse as China and the UK, because milking the "rich" and businesses to fund gooberment not-free-bies discourages accomplishment  and excellence.

One of the unintended consequences of EuroLanders coming to the US for FIFA is that they saw an abundance and degree of freedom here in the US that their gooberment and gooberment-shill MSM concealed with a cloak of falsehood-veneered silence.

[ADsOutburst]

1. We are truly a third world country

1. This "third world country" does not rank that far behind Norway in quality of life, and ranks ahead of Canada, Spain, the UK, France, and others, according to this: https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

2. This "third world country" equipped the Norwegian military with a lot of its modern hardware. This "third world country" also has global reach with its military, protecting various countries, and allowing them to skimp on their defense bugets. One wonders what would happen to the wonderful welfare systems were that not the case.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Remember, kids: No person is illegal.

So go to Norway for your health care.