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Offline franksolich

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is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« on: September 18, 2008, 12:06:49 PM »
http://www.collinsreport.net/

Oh my.

The article's about a third of the way down the page; there's lots of other good material at this site too.

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Why the Black vote won’t help Obama
September 15th, 2008

By Kevin “Coach” Collins

The straw grabbing will start as the sunsets on the ill fated quixotic campaign of Barack Obama and Sancho Biden sweeps up the donkey droppings, while they drag themselves through Washington, their hometown. We will hear more and more about how he will stun conventional thinkers with improbable victories in a few states.

Obama will say he is going to win a few southern states, namely Virginia, North Carolina and Florida. Nothing in politics is truly impossible of course but the odds against an Obama victory in these states is as close to impossible as you can get.

Recently, the Washington Post did some research into what would be necessary for such a political miracle to occur. The numbers involved are very telling.

In these three states, as in the case with any state Obama needs to take from the GOP column, the first requirement for an Obama victory is that he hold all of the White vote that John Kerry got.

From there an Obama victory in these three old south states requires Democrats to increase Black turnout in Virginia by 30%, in North Carolina by 36% and Florida by 23%. These numbers are so high as to scarcely demand attention. When Republicans won solid victories across the nation in 2004 the GOP increased Republican turnout by less than 5%. Double figure increases are just not going to happen among any group.

Finally, the plan calls for Obama getting 95% of the Black vote. While it is tempting to say of course Obama will get this requirement without a doubt, consider these numbers.

During the Democratic primaries, Obama averaged just 84.4% of the Black vote. Could that swell all the way up to the necessary 95%? That’s a very tall order.

A recent Zogby poll reported that Obama “had lost some support among Blacks…”

Nobody gets 100% of any group.
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Re: is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2008, 08:22:26 PM »
Even the messiah doesn't have enough walk around money to bump black vote up 30%.

Assuming he is willing to pay it this time around...
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Re: is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2008, 08:42:40 PM »
This guy makes a lot of sense....from the same link of the OP


He can’t win. He won’t win. It is over
September 10th, 2008
By Kevin “Coach” Collins

Since February I have been saying that Barack Obama would get crushed in this year’s presidential election. There were times when I was a very lonely voice on the web. “Experts” who were mostly Democrat operatives and politically castrated Beltway Republicans were saying this is a big Democratic year. I never believed it for a second.

The signs of trouble for the Democrats have always been there, if one cared to look at them. The Democratic operatives did not want to. The media did not want to. The feckless Republicans hiding under their desks wringing their hands over some nebulous line about the “Republican brand name” not being good joined in. Even Eric cantor whose job it is to elect Republicans to Congress talked that way. Why? Someone would have to ask him. One thing was clear, however: there was not a thimble full of courage in the ranks of elected Republicans.

While this was taking place the rank and file Democrats were steadily moving forward in their suicidal quest to nominate an inexperienced Marxist who is listed as the most liberal senator in America who happens to be Black and has a Muslim name. This while we are in a war against an enemy who has the same sounding names. The backdrop to the Obama “surge” was that the Democratically controlled Congress was racking up record breaking low approval numbers.

Week after week the Democrat cheerleaders in the media overlooked the fact that the GOP lost the House with a 37% approval rating. When there was some passing reference to these numbers the media always pointed to polls saying that about 30% of Americans thought the Republicans still controlled the House. I have written that this means 70% know who does control Congress and that I would bet that the percentage of actual voters in the 70% group was most likely geometrically higher that the 30% group.

Today it is no longer “wishful thinking” or “proof you have been smoking something” to say John McCain will crush Barack Obama. And yes I heard read those comments about me publicly and worse in private.

Now it is no longer surprising to hear the McCain will win. I have been calling the Democrat’s nominee Barack McGovern since February. Now I will go one step further. In the past I have said that the Obama campaign will be stillborn. Now I will predict the day everyone joins me in my pronouncement about the Obama campaign being a landslide loser: it will be Monday September 29,2008.

The weekend polls that always favor Democrats will be so telling that all of America will come to understand that there is no hope. At this point the McCain/Palin campaign will switch gears and start to appeal to voters to vote them a Republican Congress. Whether that happens or not is a question for future essay.

In the meanwhile he are the numbers that say it is over. These numbers say that there will only be four elected Democrats who will be happy on Nov. 5, the Clintons, George McGovern and Walter Mondale because Barack Obama will take them off the hook as having taken the worse beatings in history.

These are the numbers right now. To win Obama must get these numbers with these groups: women, he needs at least plus 7. He is down 12.

White males needs at least 36%. He is battling to change the minds of this group and is not having any success. If he gets 30% he will be lucky

Catholics: needs 50%. He is down 59/36.

Evangelicals: needs 71%. He is running against an Evangelical and has nothing to offer these Christian voters.

Jewish vote: needs 80%. He is at 57%.

Black vote: needs 95%. Zogby says he has “lost support” among Black voters.

Hispanic vote: needs 65%. The only polls available show he is at 65% so that won’t help, it will only slow the bleeding.

Democrat base support: needs 92%. He is at 86%.

Independents: needs 49%. He is losing 52/37.

This one is over. On September 30, 2008 the McCain Palin campaign must plan on switching gears and start asking for votes to give them a Republican Congress. It could keep the margin down and keep us safe from the Democrats for another two years.


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Re: is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2008, 08:52:28 PM »
Of course, he will get an unheard-of percentage of the black vote, and he will trigger a very high black turnout. But he has some big obstacles. First, the drama of a black candidate and Sarah Palin's candidacy will probably cause a very high white turnout as well. Also, polling results of blacks may be subject to a strong Bradley effect. And of course, we already know about the white Bradley effect.

One commentator on TV this morning said "polling experts" (whatever that is) were privately saying that the democrat ticket was in great danger if polling results showed them with less than a 5% to 8% lead on election day.

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Re: is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2008, 09:18:49 PM »
Of course, he will get an unheard-of percentage of the black vote, and he will trigger a very high black turnout. But he has some big obstacles. First, the drama of a black candidate and Sarah Palin's candidacy will probably cause a very high white turnout as well. Also, polling results of blacks may be subject to a strong Bradley effect. And of course, we already know about the white Bradley effect.

One commentator on TV this morning said "polling experts" (whatever that is) were privately saying that the democrat ticket was in great danger if polling results showed them with less than a 5% to 8% lead on election day.

A statistical tie goes to McCain - big time.  He could take all but 6 or 7 states. 

And, you heard it here first, McCain takes FLA, by double digits.
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Re: is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 12:15:17 AM »
I predicted McCain would win in a squeaker before his VP pick. With an articulate, smart, attractive woman, she has overwhelmed the Magic Negro and Biden ticket. I think it is going to be a blow out. The Repub ticket will win PA & NJ; the election will be over at 11pm EST. The pollsters will try to put a happy spin on the election but the O and Joe are finished.
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Re: is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 12:27:44 AM »
I predicted McCain would win in a squeaker before his VP pick. With an articulate, smart, attractive woman, she has overwhelmed the Magic Negro and Biden ticket. I think it is going to be a blow out. The Repub ticket will win PA & NJ; the election will be over at 11pm EST. The pollsters will try to put a happy spin on the election but the O and Joe are finished.
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Re: is the Big Zero going to get enough black votes?
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 07:22:39 AM »
As I said yesterday, I don't expect him to get over 80-85% of the Black vote.  But I also don't think the numbers will ever be accurately known, the Bradley effect enters pretty heavily into debriefing of Black voters by pollsters.
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