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the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« on: September 17, 2008, 11:34:20 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x384508

Oh my.

Again, one can freely ignore the original post, the bonfire built by the demented primitive, and move right on into what the subway cat has to say about the matter.

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Demeter  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 09:14 PM
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Gastric surgery is only cure for obesity By Clive Cookson
   
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a9deb9f6-7dc9-11dd-bdbd-00007...

The use of gastric surgery to treat obesity and its medical complications should be greatly expanded...Clinical researchers told the meeti blahblahblahblahblah

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4. there's something else that's proven to work, costs less, and doesn't involve life-threatening surgery. It's called reducing calorie intake and exercising. It only requires effort. Crazy huh.

Working in a job helps too.

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undergroundpanther  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 10:01 PM
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11. Another simpleton
   
I go to an endocrinologist.I am overweight. She has observed how I eat how I move and she thinks I do not eat enough food and are not sedentary enough for bad diet and lack of exercise to be the reason I am overweight.I have problems absorbing certain vitamins.

And more than that is wrong too. But for simpletons like you All I gotta do is not eat.Well **** you,you go starve yourself you neurotic putz..

Diet and exercise does not WORK.If it did nobody would be fat anymore because fat people get abused and shamed for being fat in a fat phobic culture.They get hurt so much emotionally..They lose and gain lose and gain and with each attempt at diet they gain it back and more.Have you ever heard of the Minnesota starvation study?

http://anorexia101.blogspot.com/2008/03/minnesota-starv...

http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-weve-ca...

That explains part of why DIETS FAIL.

Learn something for once.

You think fat people are lazy? Haul around a 30 pound or more weight with you everywhere you go,than tell me how weak fat people are.

Next your stuck up fat phobic attitude sucks.

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undergroundpanther  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 09:38 PM
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7. Gastric surgery IS NOT the cure for obesity FOR EVERYONE.

Sometimes it fails, it can have bad complications and the weight comes back.Anybody foolish enough to white a book claiming gastric surgery is a cure for obesity for everyone is an stupid asshole who is possibly ruining a few lives with his zeal.

Not everyone is a gastric bypass success story.The procedure has BIG risks,and some may not be prepared for the changes in habits the changes in body so they take up gambling or smoking instead, It is important to QUESTION yourself first ask yourself WHY you eat,and question your emotions ,and preparedness for drastic changes before you undertake a drastic and potentially deadly surgical procedure.

Lets be honest a lot of people are BIGOTS against fat people.You CAN be healthy AND fat,that FACT gets downplayed because of our fat phobic culture.And science has NOT figured out what causes obesity yet. And they Don't how to cure it for everyone.

People always give fat people lots of UNWANTED advice.And shame..Ignorant people repeat stupid simplistic calories in/out myths, but in reality diets FAIL.Yo-Yoing up and down the scale with body weight via diets is far more dangerous than being fat.Educate yourselves look beyond FADS surgeons wanting to sell you up a river and Fitness gurus.

Many common medications people take cause WEIGHT GAIN.

Also,stress contributes , intestinal flora,addiction,metabolic issues,there are LOTS of reasons people gain weight.One size fits all surgical interventions do not always fix the problem.

Part of the obesity problem is people who hate fat ,fear fat or hold onto old medieval beliefs about gluttony as a sin,and the'moral inferiority' of a fat person.That shit needs to STOP and those people need to grow the **** up and realize bodies are just bodies.WE all will DIE eventually.

And look-ism it is a social sickness that borders on evil as far as I am concerned.

Check out this site and the others,learn something about the risks of bariatric surgery.

http://www.stronghealth.com/services/surgical/bariatric...

http://www.annecollins.com/health-dangers-of-gastric-by...

http://www.gastricbypassmalpractice.com/gastricbypassma...

How many times have you heard: "No, thanks. I'm on a diet."

Fact: 90 percent of all women overestimate their body size.

Fact: By the age of 13, sixty percent of all North American girls have dieted.

Fact: Female children as young as five expressed fears of getting fat.

Read more about how NEUROTIC most "normal" people are over fatness. It's SICK to be so preoccupied with one's weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/diet.fitness/10/14/fat.p...

http://www.shs.uwo.ca/publications/mindbody/fphobia.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/if/3589269.stm

after which the subway cat entertains us with a boring poem

There is enough abuse and bigotry and look-ism causing pain in this world already.So scapegoating fat people is just another form of abuse and bigotry.

It's about learning to accept your bodies.Even if everyone around you treats you like shit for not being the "appropriate size".You have to learn to shut out the abusive wagging tongues and love yourself as you are again..

Body Positive explores taking up occupancy inside your own skin, rather than living above the chin until you're thin. It is a set of ideas that may help you find greater well-being in the body you have.

http://www.bodypositive.com /

Excuse me, but I got lost up there, near the end, the part about "learning to accept your bodies."

Isn't the subway cat trying to resculpturize herself from a woman to a man?

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undergroundpanther  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 09:52 PM
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9. Agree with you
   
I think this guy pushing it as a cure all is at best horribly irresponsible at worst a horrible asshole preying on people who hate their own bodies because they have been shamed so much by such a weight obsessed vain and bigoted culture.

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undergroundpanther  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 10:08 PM
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13. I noticed the poundage change from 700 pounds seen as life threatening, and now you say 400 pounds.WTF?

How low will you all go ,to rationalize who should be making other people consider dangerous surgeries to fit this"acceptable size" bullshit? What number is the dreaded danger zone? 700,400,300,200?

Thin people die too,of heart attacks strokes,what about the wonderful fit,trim runners keeling over from heart attacks..They are not fat.. and thin people get diabetes too.

Think.
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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 11:45:12 AM »
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Isn't the subway cat trying to resculpturize herself from a woman to a man?

Actually, I think the idea is to go from a grossly obese, mentally ill, profusely tattooed woman to a male panther. Seriously.
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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 11:59:02 AM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x384508

Oh my.


Excuse me, but I got lost up there, near the end, the part about "learning to accept your bodies."

Isn't the subway cat trying to resculpturize herself from a woman to a man?






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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 12:10:18 PM »
UGP, ignoring basic human biology once again. Hate to tell you UGP, but good ole fashioned caloric deficiency and exercise do, in fact, work. Nobody said 'starving yourself' and in fact that can backfire on you by exacerbating health problems and slowing down your metabolism and defeat the purpose. We are talking about taking LESS calories in then you are expending and not by a ridiculous amount to get results either. There are things that can help you figure out BMR online and even with a deficiency, you'd be surprised at how many calories you can still have and lose weight.

And UGP, fwiw, I'm working against a f*cked up thyroid in my family on both sides and that I suffered through after my pregnancies, but I still have managed a significant weight loss in the last several months. All done while ENJOYING working out, through a trip to Florida, eating pizza on occasion with my family, and drinking my fave coffee everyday with half and half(can't give that pleasure up). I have not had my body altered in any way to achieve this and yes, it is hard work, just like going to school, working, raising children, and living sometimes is hard work.

People are 'magically fat' because they choose to continue to deny basic biology(I know, I did it too for far too many years and just hope I didn't do irreparable damage from my denial) and often aren't honest with themselves about both what they take in and what they expend.

*as a side note, I hope my fellow conservatives know that I realize there are VALID medical situations and medications that do contribute to being overweight--we've already done this debate*

Losing weight, in my estimation, is one of those personal responsibility thingies that libs seem to hate so much, especially UGP.

And, Frank, your notation is so dead on that this is ridiculous coming from someone who is making dangerous efforts to change themselves into something they will NEVER become. Fat people can realistically get fit, but human beings can NOT realistically become panthers.

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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 12:16:59 PM »
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*as a side note, I hope my fellow conservatives know that I realize there are VALID medical situations and medications that do contribute to being overweight--we've already done this debate*

Of course.

Speaking as a hot-blooded American male, I think it eminently reasonable if a woman who has borne infants packed on some pounds, even a lot, and don't hold it against them.  After all, such women are those who gave the rest of us life.

The subway cat, on the other hand, allegedly has never borne an infant.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2008, 01:15:34 PM »
Well perhaps it's the kind of food UGP is eating. Cats are, after all, obligate carnivores. Too much starchy foods and sugar isn't healthy for our feline friends.

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2008, 01:26:30 PM »


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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2008, 01:34:30 PM »
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*as a side note, I hope my fellow conservatives know that I realize there are VALID medical situations and medications that do contribute to being overweight--we've already done this debate*

Of course.

Speaking as a hot-blooded American male, I think it eminently reasonable if a woman who has borne infants packed on some pounds, even a lot, and don't hold it against them.  After all, such women are those who gave the rest of us life.

The subway cat, on the other hand, allegedly has never borne an infant.

Ahh, yes, and I too am one such a woman and I can imagine the body holds it very closely in anticipation of yet more life to be birthed so that is definitely a road block that those of us who have had children face, however even with that working against me(and others) along with approaching middle age, it still has been possible to trim down and more importantly improve my fitness level and health. You are a very sweet and realistic person to acknowledge though the poundage we ladies get stuck with after children and to accept it as a beautiful consequence to life. I think for some of us there just comes this idea that we are no longer in 'baby' mode and would like to have our level of fitness, health, and appearance back(well, as much as is possible post 3 children)--thank you very much.  :-)

I think my main objection to UGP's characterization is that one must starve oneself to achieve the goal of physical fitness(it's not fitness at all if you aren't getting enough to eat) and trimming up. In some ways, I take that insinuation very personally since it discounts the reasonable and healthy efforts(and at times it has been an effort) that people take to reach this goal.

In the end though, the point is absurd that she makes given what you have stipulated: that she takes extreme and dangerous measures already to change herself into some ideal she has in her head, one that is indeed not possible, yet she denigrates the efforts of others to make changes, that while difficult, are not impossible and are usually not dangerous to their health, in fact quite the opposite in the long term.

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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2008, 01:47:07 PM »
I still believe she should send an inviting PM to DUmmy stevenumbers. Dummy stevenumbers is so deprived, his needs so urgent, that UP's appearance and her hairballs would pose no problem. A litter of underground kittens would likely do wonders for her outlook. And the taxpayer would continue to support them all.

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2008, 01:54:05 PM »
I still believe she should send an inviting PM to DUmmy stevenumbers. Dummy stevenumbers is so deprived, his needs so urgent, that UP's appearance and her hairballs would pose no problem. A litter of underground kittens would likely do wonders for her outlook. And the taxpayer would continue to support them all.

She's trying to become a MALE Panther dood!

Hooking up with another guy after accomplishing that would just be too ****ed up and weird!

Get a grip!!

Besides which Stevenumbers couldn't get laid in the courtyard of a Woman's Prison with a jetpack on his back.





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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2008, 02:10:43 PM »

If you want to worship an orange pile of garbage with a reckless disregard for everything, get on down to Arbys & try our loaded curly fries.

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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2008, 03:05:09 PM »



A H5 and an acknowledgement that I am going to hell for laughing my ass off at that!!!!




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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2008, 03:16:34 PM »



A H5 and an acknowledgement that I am going to hell for laughing my ass off at that!!!!

Same here. :rotf:
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2008, 03:49:15 PM »



A H5 and an acknowledgement that I am going to hell for laughing my ass off at that!!!!

Same here. :rotf:

 :rotf: .....well let's just make it a bus load.
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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2008, 03:53:44 PM »



A H5 and an acknowledgement that I am going to hell for laughing my ass off at that!!!!

Same here. :rotf:

 :rotf: .....well let's just make it a bus load.

Save me a seat!  :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao:
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2008, 03:55:29 PM »



A H5 and an acknowledgement that I am going to hell for laughing my ass off at that!!!!

Same here. :rotf:

 :rotf: .....well let's just make it a bus load.

Save me a seat!  :rotf: :lmao: :rotf: :lmao:

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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2008, 06:10:12 PM »
If one does not wish to do something, it is amazing what one will come up with to justify not doing it.  UP could set aside a block of time everyday to work in some excercise.  She could watch her calories and nutrition.  Will she ever look great?  Probably not, but she would feel better and be physically healthier.  Excercise might even help her with her mental issues.

UP if you read this and think you can't, I'm not a morning person and I recently started making myself get up at 0430 for cardiovascular excercise (running) because that is the only time I could find reasonably available.  There really isn't an excuse.
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« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2008, 06:39:57 PM »
If one does not wish to do something, it is amazing what one will come up with to justify not doing it.  UP could set aside a block of time everyday to work in some excercise.  She could watch her calories and nutrition.  Will she ever look great?  Probably not, but she would feel better and be physically healthier.  Excercise might even help her with her mental issues.

UP if you read this and think you can't, I'm not a morning person and I recently started making myself get up at 0430 for cardiovascular excercise (running) because that is the only time I could find reasonably available.  There really isn't an excuse.

Yes! I join you in the early morning club. I get up at 5am for the same. :cheersmate: Usually try to work in a group fitness class during the day or evening as well. It's come to be a welcome part of my day now. The early morning thing wakes me up and gets my day started--it's like a cup of coffee, but I like how quiet it is that time of morning--it's a bit of solitude I rarely get with 3 children. The group fitness stuff truly is fun even though exhausting. I enjoy both as huge stress relievers.

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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2008, 08:11:15 PM »
UP simply wants something to claim she (?) is being unfairly oppressed by.

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2008, 08:18:27 PM »
I know why UGP is fat.  Her brain is simply too stupid to process food.   :p
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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2008, 08:34:19 PM »
I know why UGP is fat.  Her brain is simply too stupid to process food.   :p
I think UGP is one of those people who never  learned to let go of hate.  Of course, after hate has burned away everything else, all that is left is hate.  She is just making her body mirror her soul now.
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2008, 04:24:37 AM »
I know why UGP is fat.  Her brain is simply too stupid to process food.   :p
I think UGP is one of those people who never  learned to let go of hate.  Of course, after hate has burned away everything else, all that is left is hate.  She is just making her body mirror her soul now.

In those few words, I think that you have summed it up nicely.
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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2008, 05:51:25 AM »
If one does not wish to do something, it is amazing what one will come up with to justify not doing it.  UP could set aside a block of time everyday to work in some excercise.  She could watch her calories and nutrition.  Will she ever look great?  Probably not, but she would feel better and be physically healthier.  Excercise might even help her with her mental issues.
UP if you read this and think you can't, I'm not a morning person and I recently started making myself get up at 0430 for cardiovascular excercise (running) because that is the only time I could find reasonably available.  There really isn't an excuse.
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Re: the subway cat illuminates us about being overweight
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2008, 10:55:37 AM »


Besides which Stevenumbers couldn't get laid in the courtyard of a Woman's Prison with a jetpack on his back.



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