I'm not seeing exitement in the Black community

[bijou]

kdsusa (1000+ posts)       Mon Sep-15-08 02:13 PM
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I'm not seeing exitement in the Black community
 Advertisements [?]I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't see any enthusiasm about Obama in my local Black community. I work in an office that is staffed by about 50% Black workers, and I never even hear Obama's name mentioned. The only time it was mentioned, an African American co-worker said that if Obama wins somebody will surely kill him.

In my workplace, we're not allowed to have political bumper stickers or anything like that, so you don't know anyone's politics unless they tell you. Still, I always expected the first African American presidential candidate to be met with wild enthusiasm. While I see the excitement on a national scale, I don't see it locally. And even on the national scale it seems Obama ignites White support about as much as African American.

I don't mean to imply that Blacks are mandated to support Black politicians, but Obama has widespread appeal, and a serious chance of winning the White House. Hell, that's pretty exciting.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7075535

A raging bonfire follows.

[Red October]

You don't see "exitement" in the Black community? 

The cab drivers in Baltimore seem as "exited" as anyone. 

[Wretched Excess]

that thread is having seizures.

[franksolich]

Well, I sort of doubt it, but maybe there's no "excitement" in this black community about the Big Zero because the Big Zero isn't authentically African-American.

The Big Zero's only half black, and not the same black of African derivation of most African-Americans.

Also, the Big Zero had an upbringing far removed from the experiences of blacks in America.

If the Democrats wanted an authentic black candidate for the presidency, they had a whole stable to choose from; everybody from Congressmen John Lewis (D-Georgia) to Floyd Flake (D-New York) to Melvin Watts (D-North Carolina) to Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Illinois) to William Jefferson (D-Louisiana).

Good or bad, all the above guys know what it's been like, being black in America.

It's sort of as if I were to run as a deaf candidate--which I couldn't, because I've enjoyed some advantages most deaf people never did.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Well, I sort of doubt it, but maybe there's no "excitement" in this black community about the Big Zero because the Big Zero isn't authentically African-American.

The Big Zero's only half black, and not the same black of African derivation of most African-Americans.

Also, the Big Zero had an upbringing far removed from the experiences of blacks in America.

If the Democrats wanted an authentic black candidate for the presidency, they had a whole stable to choose from; everybody from Congressmen John Lewis (D-Georgia) to Floyd Flake (D-New York) to Melvin Watts (D-North Carolina) to Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-Illinois) to William Jefferson (D-Louisiana).

Good or bad, all the above guys know what it's been like, being black in America.

It's sort of as if I were to run as a deaf candidate--which I couldn't, because I've enjoyed some advantages most deaf people never did.

Yeah, I was explaining his difficulty in the Black community to my wife, as two-pronged - (1) He's pissed off a lot of the church-going social conservative Blacks with the whole Rev. Wright fiasco (several supporting reasons there, from the wacky Liberation Theology to throwing the church under the bus when the heat came on), and (2) he has cred problems with the civil rights-focused Black leadership because all the Black in him is from a non-American rich guy 'Citizen of the world' and hence not one drop of blood from 'Slavery Days' in his veins, no shared heritage of the struggle.   

[Lord Undies]

"I'm so excited!
And I just can't hide it! 
I'm about to lose control,
And I think I want to!
Want to?"

[BlueStateSaint]

LU, you really should have put out the SPORK ALERT!

[GOBUCKS]

You can expect osamabama to get 97-98% of the black vote, but it will not be racist.

These American blacks simply identify with him. He was raised by a muslim family, in a muslim country, educated in a muslim madrassa.
He memorized koran verses about cutting off the heads of infidels.
He says the most beautiful sound in the world is a muzzie howler on a minaret calling the faithful to prayer.

But through it all, he remained a Baptist, just like these American blacks. So they identify with him.

[Lord Undies]

You can expect osamabama to get 97-98% of the black vote, but it will not be racist.

These American blacks simply identify with him. He was raised by a muslim family, in a muslim country, educated in a muslim madrassa.
He memorized koran verses about cutting off the heads of infidels.
He says the most beautiful sound in the world is a muzzie howler on a minaret calling the faithful to prayer.

But through it all, he remained a Baptist, just like these American blacks. So they identify with him.

I can understand this.  I identify with eggs.  They too have white shells. 

[WinOne4TheGipper]

kdsusa (1000+ posts)       Mon Sep-15-08 02:13 PM
Original message
I'm not seeing exitement in the Black community
 Advertisements [?]I don't know about the rest of you, but I just don't see any enthusiasm about Obama in my local Black community. I work in an office that is staffed by about 50% Black workers, and I never even hear Obama's name mentioned. The only time it was mentioned, an African American co-worker said that if Obama wins somebody will surely kill him.

In my workplace, we're not allowed to have political bumper stickers or anything like that, so you don't know anyone's politics unless they tell you. Still, I always expected the first African American presidential candidate to be met with wild enthusiasm. While I see the excitement on a national scale, I don't see it locally. And even on the national scale it seems Obama ignites White support about as much as African American.

I don't mean to imply that Blacks are mandated to support Black politicians, but Obama has widespread appeal, and a serious chance of winning the White House. Hell, that's pretty exciting.

 

Just that they're mandated to support liberals.  Just like women are mandated to support liberals.  Just like gays are mandated to support liberals.  Just like Hispanics are mandated to support liberals.  In fact, the only group of people who are allowed to have minds of their own are straight white guys.  Even then, those that do have minds of their own are ridiculed.

[DumbAss Tanker]

You can expect osamabama to get 97-98% of the black vote, but it will not be racist.

These American blacks simply identify with him. He was raised by a muslim family, in a muslim country, educated in a muslim madrassa.
He memorized koran verses about cutting off the heads of infidels.
He says the most beautiful sound in the world is a muzzie howler on a minaret calling the faithful to prayer.

But through it all, he remained a Baptist, just like these American blacks. So they identify with him.

I think he'll come in somewhat lower than that, probably around 80-85, only problem is it's unprovable.  The only way to tabulate votes by racial group is in exit polling, and almost every Black who votes is going to tell the pollsters he voted for Obama because he or she knows that's what expected of them.  A Black voter who doesn't vote for Obama doesn't want to get fingered as an Oreo or Uncle Tom afterward, if the next person overhears the true response, so the ones who don't vote for him will mostly tell the pollsters they did anyway.

[Chris]

I never get polled.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

[Chris_]

I never get polled.

They have a treatment for that:

[Zeus]

Reading Between the Lines
http://kennethelamb.blogspot.com/2008/02/barak-obama-questions-about-ethnic.html

I must pause very briefly to note usage of the word Negro in what follows: In all academic studies of race, the proper scientific word for the ethnic composition I discuss is Negro. For any who scream racist at its mention, I say take it up with the scientific community. It's not my word, it's theirs. I am using it in its proper scientific context.

Why is the fact that Mr. Obama is only 6.25% African Negro not reported?

Because to acknowledge it is to report this devastating truth about him: Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president

Federal law requires that to claim a minority status, you must be at least 1/8 of the descriptor, but for the sake of this article, I've converted it to a decimal fraction for easier comprehension. You must be at least 12.5% of the racial component you claim for minority status. Mr. Obama, claiming to be African-American, is half the legal threshold.

Again, to let it sink in: Mr. Obama is not legally African-American. It is impossible for him to be, in truth, America's first African-American president..

Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian, that from his mother. What those who want Mr. Obama to write history by becoming "America's first African-American president" ignore is that his father was ethnically Arabic, with only 1 relative ethnically African Negro - a maternal great-grandparent (Sen. Obama's great-great grandparent, thus the 6.25% ethnic contribution to the senator's ethnic composition.).

That means that Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.

Put another way, his father could honestly claim African-American ethnic classification. He was the last generation able to do so.