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Offline pjcomix

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The Ukraine War should much more accurately be called "The War of NATO Expansion." Or maybe the "TDS War." Or perhaps "The Proxy War Against Russia." "The Beyond STUPID War" is my personal favorite label.

I've always been an avid reader and one of the books I read when I was fifteen was "The Guns of August" by Barbara Tuchman which detailed how World War I began. I was amazed at the time at how easily avoidable that war was by simply not following through on absurd entangling alliances. Unfortunately, although it is easy to start a war it is very difficult to end a war even though the destruction goes far beyond what the belligerents expected.

Equally, or perhaps even more ABSURD, than how WWI began was how the war in Ukraine began. Why? Because the USA pledged in 1991 to the Soviet Union NOT to expand NATO eastward as the Soviet Bloc in Eastern Europe continued its collapse. So what happened? The pledge was broken as Professor Jeffrey Sachs explained, with the result being that Russia went into extreme alarm mode when it appeared that Ukraine might soon join NATO. And why would the USA hype the expansion of NATO into Ukraine and risk the reaction from Russia which ended up happening especially after the moron known as Kamala Harris pushed that idea at the Munich Security Conference shortly before the Ukraine War began in February 2020? As crazy as it sounds, TDS was a big factor. Liberals blamed Putin for Trump winning the 2016 election despite the fact that the Mueller Report concluded that there was NO Trump-Russia collusion. So now the liberals are gloating over the fact that Putin is now being punished in what they are promoting as a PROXY WAR with Russia despite the fact that Russia is much to weak to pose a threat to America. Meanwhile those same liberals downplay the very real threat from our true enemy namely Communist China.

So a fifteen year old kid who was amazed at the stupid reasons why nations went to war in 1914 is now even more astonished as a much older version of his previous self that nations have now plunged into an insane war for even STUPIDER reasons. NATO expansion, TDS, Proxy War. All NONSENSE!

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In the real world, Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2014, responsive to nothing NATO. It was in December 2014 that, in response to Russia invading and annexing Crimea, Ukraine added the goal to become a NATO member to their constitution; Russia's 2014 invasion and annexation was the context for any NATO response. In February 2022, responsive to nothing NATO, Russia invaded Ukraine in an effort to conquer and annex all of Ukraine. Putin and his orcs learned the hard way that that Ukraine was more prepared and not a pushover.

I know this fact is hard for Ukraine-Haters to swallow, but Ukraine is a sovereign country, having full rights to defend its territory - all of it - against foreign invaders. Russia had zero rights to invade and occupy Ukraine, not in 2014, not in 2022. The current war in Ukraine was started because Putin wants to recreate Stalin's empire and believed Ukraine would be a push-over second (remember 2009 and Putin's proxies controlling part of Georgia?) step toward that goal.

So far, Ukraine has:

* Devastated Russia's tank forces

* Killed on the order of 1/4 of a million men and wounded/maimed another 3/4 of a million men,

* Depleted much of Russia's air forces, including, a few days ago, at least 10-15 strategic bombers that are irreplaceable, because long out of production, and damaging others that may not be reparable, for the same reason; shot down many Su-25, Ka-52, and Mi-24 CAS aircraft and helicopters;

* Reduced Russia's Black See Fleet to a couple of SSKs, a corvette or three (if that), and patrol boats; other than patrol craft, the fleet has been forced out of Sevastopol;

* Seriously reduced the usability of Putin's beloved Kerch Bridge, which is critical to supplying Russian troops in Crimea; seriously damaged Russia's oil industry; significantly depleted Russia's SAM system network, making Russia vulnerable to air attacks, at the front lines and hundreds of Km into Russia.

The Balkan countries, Moldova, and Poland, which would have been some of Putin's next targets, have been made much safer by Ukraine frustrating Putin's empire rebuilding.
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My mind keeps returning to a certain golf course attempted assassin with strong ties to Ukraine.

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My mind keeps returning to a certain golf course attempted assassin with strong ties to Ukraine.

The guy rejected in Ukraine as a "wack job"? Yeah, that guy:

Alleged Trump gunman Ryan Wesley Routh was rejected as ‘wack job’ when he tried to volunteer for Ukraine, fighters say

https://nypost.com/2024/09/16/us-news/ryan-wesley-routh-was-rejected-as-wack-job-in-ukraine-sources/

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Alleged would-be Trump assassin Ryan Wesley Routh rolled up in Ukraine last year looking to fight the Russians and make an impact — but was quickly rejected and pushed aside after being dubbed a “wack job” and “off” by the more serious foreign fighters in the country, several sources involved in the volunteer effort said.

While some had interacted with him personally, others told The Post they knew his “type” and were “not at all surprised by it.”

“A crazy idiot, but no one’s really surprised. There are people like that that show up and are desperate to help and be important,” one American fighting for Ukraine told The Post. “And he was just one of those – just on the crazier end of things.”

That intercontinental smear-attempt was weak enough, but the guy was laughed at in Ukraine. Try again.
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And YET the nut job they supposedly laughed at had funds for all kinds of travel, including to Florida.