NIH Director: gain of function research bad. So-called scientists have tantrum.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

https://x.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1924841095860539725


Also: mRNA vaccines severely degrade fertility:

https://x.com/RodDMartin/status/1925942405099909189


Also:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1925329808159826429

NEW - FDA orders Pfizer, Moderna to update COVID mRNA vaccine warnings, adding heart injury risk, mainly in teen boys and young men — CBS

I know Soldiers injured by those ****ing shots. I know entire companies that were given fake vaccine cards by their commanders.

Everybody knew. They lied and tried to destroy anyone who challenged their lies.

[SVPete]

...
Also: mRNA vaccines severely degrade fertility:

https://x.com/RodDMartin/status/1925942405099909189
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In the real world, the US birth rate has been flat since 2018 (mRNA vaccines were authorized in December 2020, so a, "We don't know yet," excuse can't work anymore), https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/birth-rate . Reality contradicts the claim, unsurprisingly.

Rod D. Martin is a technology investor and commentator, not anything medical-pharmaceutical. Nor am I, however I had the sense to fact-check the dramatic claim with 30 seconds, a good search phrase, and Duck Duck Go. Why he did not bother to check the US national birth rate before publishing this claim on X, I won't guess.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

In the real world, the US birth rate has been flat since 2018 (mRNA vaccines were authorized in December 2020, so a, "We don't know yet," excuse can't work anymore), https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/birth-rate . Reality contradicts the claim, unsurprisingly.

Rod D. Martin is a technology investor and commentator, not anything medical-pharmaceutical. Nor am I, however I had the sense to fact-check the dramatic claim with 30 seconds, a good search phrase, and Duck Duck Go. Why he did not bother to check the US national birth rate before publishing this claim on X, I won't guess.

Martin didn't even come close to suggesting he wrote the study. He's calling attention to the study. Here is the study: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/13/4/345

Also, declining birth rate is not the issue here. Declining birth rates can be attributed to numerous factors including intangibles such as cultural shifts, access to birth control, etc.. However, the issue is in the study is, "both mRNA and inactivated COVID-19 vaccines may detrimentally impact ovarian reserve."

Issues were observed back during the mandates. Had these issues been acknowledged, it would have been politically - as well as legally - untenable to maintain the mandates. If people wanted the shots, that's on them, but the mandates became a political litmus test. If these risks were previously known and deliberately withheld, denying those taking the vaccines the right to fully informed consent, those who withheld the information need to be prosecuted.

[SVPete]

The claim is: Also: mRNA vaccines severely degrade fertility. If a population's fertility is "degraded" then that population's birth rate would decline. The lack of decline in the US birthrate in the 4 1/2 years since mRNA vaccines came into use means US fertility is not "degraded". It's simple cause-and-effect reasoning, the same kind of cause-and-effect reasoning that is in my signature.

Martin didn't even come close to suggesting he wrote the study. ...

Where in my post did I state or suggest that he did? To the contrary, my comment, "Why he did not bother to check the US national birth rate ..." indicates that I already knew that he did not, but had carelessly reported a claim without having done a basic factcheck.

I have not taken anti-Covid-vaxxers claims seriously for years, the "missing" hundreds of thousands or millions of dead bodies being but one reason. Here is a more extreme example, https://principia-scientific.com/doctor-heart-failure-from-mrna-jabs-will-kill-most-people/ , and FWIW, according to that bit of lunacy, I should have died at least a year ago. Similarly anti-Covid-vaxxers have ludicrously claimed that Covid vaccines contain hydras or make injection sites magnetic, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/12/fact-check-false-claim-hydra-vulgaris-covid-19-vaccine/6356471001/ .

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Is it honestly your argument that if the vaccines - when compared to a control group - show a significant physiological change, that people should not be advised of that change?

[SVPete]

Is it honestly your argument that if the vaccines - when compared to a control group - show a significant physiological change, that people should not be advised of that change?

Into which of my posts are you reading that? That "question" smacks of, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" "reasoning".

My only recent comment about Covid vaccine warnings is here, https://conservativecave.com/cave/index.php?topic=136514.msg1560756#msg1560756 :

* When I finally received my first vaccine dose in April 2021, warnings of side effects were included in both the online process of registering for an appointment and among the papers given to patients being vaccinated. In plain English, I was notified that, as with any medication, there was non-zero risk of serious side effects.

That certainly is not disapproval of warnings.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Into which of my posts are you reading that? That "question" smacks of, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" "reasoning".

My only recent comment about Covid vaccine warnings is here, https://conservativecave.com/cave/index.php?topic=136514.msg1560756#msg1560756 :

That certainly is not disapproval of warnings.

I say that because I have repeatedly stated how people were denied information to make informed choices. In return, you have made issues of Martin's credentials, birth rates, and your general disdain for "anti-COVID-vaxxers."

When someone says "This is the issue," only to be met with a barrage of counter claims, there is every appearance that the respondent is seeking to deflect away from the original issue.

The issue is how information was withheld from people.

[SVPete]

From my post above:

The claim is: Also: mRNA vaccines severely degrade fertility.

This claim is in this thread's OP. Here is how I answered that claim:

In the real world, the US birth rate has been flat since 2018 (mRNA vaccines were authorized in December 2020, so a, "We don't know yet," excuse can't work anymore), https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/birth-rate . Reality contradicts the claim, unsurprisingly.

Here is my explanation of why my answer contradicts the claim posted in the OP:

If a population's fertility is "degraded" then that population's birth rate would decline. The lack of decline in the US birthrate in the 4 1/2 years since mRNA vaccines came into use means US fertility is not "degraded". It's simple cause-and-effect reasoning, ...

I did NOT question Martin's credentials, as I pointed out in this comment above:

To the contrary, my comment, "Why he did not bother to check the US national birth rate ..." indicates that I already knew that he did not (write the study), but had carelessly reported a claim without having done a basic factcheck.

How you did not understand those clear comments eludes me.

The issue is how information was withheld from people.

As I quoted one of my posts from another thread:

* When I finally received my first vaccine dose in April 2021, warnings of side effects were included in both the online process of registering for an appointment and among the papers given to patients being vaccinated. In plain English, I was notified that, as with any medication, there was non-zero risk of serious side effects.

I received another copy of the warnings when I received the second vaccine dose in May. Information was not withheld; whether it was sufficiently prominent to satisfy critics ...... well they're critics.

[SVPete]

One of the predicates of anti-Covid-vaxxers insinuations such as "NEW - FDA orders Pfizer, Moderna to update COVID mRNA vaccine warnings, adding heart injury risk, ..." is the difficulty of finding evidence from the time frame of the claim. In this case, the difficulty of finding official instructions about the three Covid vaccines used in the 2021 and 2022 time frame. Well with DDG, a well composed search phrase, and a little patience (in alphabetical, not chronological, order of authorization):

Janssen / Johnson & Johnson, from the FDA, 2021, https://www.fda.gov/media/146305/download

Myocarditis and Pericarditis

Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside
the heart) have occurred in some people who have received the vaccine. In most of these people,
symptoms began within 8 days following vaccination. The chance of having this occur is very low.
You should seek medical attention right away if you have any of the following symptoms after
receiving the vaccine:

• Chest pain

• Shortness of breath

• Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart

Moderna, June/17/2022, https://www.memorialcare.org/sites/default/files/_images/content/coronavirus/vaccine-resources/MHS_VaccineClinics_ModernaEUARecipientFactSheet12yandOlder_2022_06_17.pdf

Side effects that have been reported during post-authorization use of the vaccine include:
• Severe allergic reactions
• Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
• Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
• Fainting in association with injection of the vaccine

Among the listed possible contra-indications for receiving the Moderna vaccine are:

have had myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) or pericarditis (inflammation of
the lining outside the heart)

Pfizer, 8 December 2022, https://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472

Side effects that have been reported with these vaccines include:
  Severe allergic reactions
  Non-severe allergic reactions such as rash, itching, hives, or swelling of the face
  Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
  Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)

Among the listed possible contra-indications for receiving the Pfizer vaccine are:

have had myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) or pericarditis
(inflammation of the lining outside the heart)

Information was not "denied" or "withheld".

BTW, contrary to one anti-Covid-vaxxer claim, the pre-approval Pfizer vaccine and the approved "Comirnaty" were, at the time of approval, the same vaccine. "Comirnaty" was just the FDA-approved trade name. Whether the anti-Covid-vaxxers were ignorant or deceivers playing on others' lack of knowledge, I do not know.