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Am I the only one who can't ****ing breathe right now.
Nothing Trump is saying in this tariff announcement seems like it can be verified. It is as if he just makes up his own numbers and facts. It is just another firehose of bullshit.

This all seems like madness.

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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2025, 02:34:54 PM »
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Everything Trump is saying in this tariff announcement is verifiable. Facts are Reich-Wing!!! ...
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« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2025, 03:11:06 PM »
The leftists and DUmmies probably thought that U.S. citizens weren't paying any tariffs when they bought goods from outside the U.S.

It is rather amazing and expected that so many media folks and the general public who have absolutely ZERO economic understanding are the ones opining the loudest.
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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2025, 03:14:02 PM »
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Am I the only one who can't ****ing breathe right now.

Hope none of you can breathe for 10-20 minutes.

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2025, 05:02:54 PM »
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Nothing Trump is saying in this tariff announcement seems like it can be verified. It is as if he just makes up his own numbers and facts. It is just another firehose of bullshit.

This all seems like madness.

If the numbers presented by YOUR PRESIDENT Donaldus Magnus were even conceivably straying from established and verifiable fact, the communist cocksuckers at CNN, MSNPC and the rest of the Dim'Rat propaganda outlets would have jumped his shit like Slick Willy on a 14-year old at Epstein Island.

Bank on that, DUmp'Rat; it's not that they don't want to rub The Donald's face in an error, it's that he's given them nothing to work with on that front.  :thatsright: :popcorn:
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2025, 06:54:26 PM »
If the numbers presented by YOUR PRESIDENT Donaldus Magnus were even conceivably straying from established and verifiable fact, the communist cocksuckers at CNN, MSNPC and the rest of the Dim'Rat propaganda outlets would have jumped his shit like Slick Willy on a 14-year old at Epstein Island.

Bank on that, DUmp'Rat; it's not that they don't want to rub The Donald's face in an error, it's that he's given them nothing to work with on that front.  :thatsright: :popcorn:

Speaking of cocksuckers...I'm going to post the fact-checks from the ignoramus fact-checker at the Washington Post Glenn Kessler. Note his usage such as nitpicking to the point it sounds like a bitter spouse. Paywall protected so no link, but this is typical of Kessler and his ilk in that disreputable "profession".

The false things Trump said about tariffs during his announcement

“For years, hardworking American citizens who were forced to sit on the sidelines as other nations got rich and powerful, much of it at our expense. But now it’s our turn to prosper and in so doing, use trillions and trillions of dollars to reduce our taxes and pay down our national debt.”

This is exaggerated.

“The United States charges other countries only a 2.4 percent tariff on motorcycles. Meanwhile, Thailand and others are charging much higher prices, like 60 percent, India charges 70 percent, Vietnam charges 75 percent, and others are even higher than that. Likewise, until today, the United States has for decades charged a 2.5 tariff. Think of that 2.5 percent on foreign-made automobiles. The European Union charges us more than 10 percent tariffs.”

Some of Trump’s numbers are suspect.

“Toyota sells 1 million foreign-made automobiles into the United States, and General Motors sells almost none. Ford sells very little. None of our companies are allowed to go into other countries.”

This is misleading.

“And with countries like Canada, you know, we subsidize a lot of countries and keep them going and keep them in business. In the case of Mexico, it’s $300 billion a year. In the case of Canada, it’s close to $200 billion a year.”

These numbers are wrong. The “subsidy” to Canada supposedly includes military benefits the U.S. provides to the NATO ally, but we fact-checked this and the numbers did not add up. In 2024, the deficit in trade in goods and services with Canada was about $45 billion. The trade deficit with Mexico was about $172 billion in 2024.

“Then in 1913, for reasons unknown to mankind, they established the income tax so that citizens, rather than foreign countries, would start paying the money necessary to run our government. Then in 1929, it all came to a very abrupt end with the Great Depression, and it would have never happened if they had stayed with the tariff policy; it would have been a much different story.”

This is nonsense history. The income tax was intended to shift the burden to wealthier Americans as the cost of tariffs fall mainly on lower-income people. Tax revenue was also considered a more stable source of funds. One big advocate for an income tax was Theodore Roosevelt, a Republican. As for the Great Depression, many historians say the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, signed into law in 1930, worsened the economic slowdown because it sparked a global trade war.

“But since the very beginning of NAFTA, our country lost 90,000 factories. Think what that is — 90,000.”

The 90,000 factories statistic is dubious.

“And 5 million manufacturing jobs were lost while racking up trade deficits of $19 trillion. That [North American Free Trade Agreement] was the worst trade deal ever made.”

This is mostly because of China.
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