I really can't get my head around it

[CC27]

Pototan

I really can't get my head around it
For those who don't know, I retired 3 and a half years ago to the Central Philippines with my Filipina wife. I'm 72, she's 69 and we've been married for 22 years and have no children. We had good jobs in America and live on our Pensions and Social Security. I spend 50 weeks a year at my home here in the Central Philippines and 2 weeks a year in Boston.

That being said, I was extremely involved in politics back in Massachusetts as a union officer and personally. I've done my share in the 55 active political years of my life. Now, my politics consists of donating a few hundred dollars to Democratic causes, casting an overseas ballot and posting here on DU.

That's my quick background info. Here's my problem. I can't understand where the America I once knew went. When did we discard and denigrate science? As part of the Polio Vaccine generation, WTF is happening to our commitment to medicine. Listen, I worked hard in all kinds of campaigns. The Republican candidates were our opponents. Looking back at those years, the other side may have been our adversaries, but they weren't crazy. I can now say that Bush, McCain and Romney were normal people with different opinions. Bush II lied to get us into a war, and I opposed him, but he fell into the Historical norm of LBJ and Nixon. And as much as I criticized them, they never abandoned science, common sense or our country.

Trump, on the other hand, is other wordily. The John Birch Society, George Wallace and the original "America First" committee that were Hitler apologists in the 1930's were an aberration in US history. I never thought I'd lived to see the day when people like that controlled the country.

I never thought I'd live to see that day, and I almost made it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219816469

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[SVPete]

That's my quick background info. Here's my problem. I can't understand where the America I once knew went. ...

America didn't move. Like you, the Dem Party moved. The Dem Party has moved far beyond far left since 1980.

  Americans who rejected racism rejected the Dem Party's demonization of people whose skin color happened to be "white".

  Americans who rejected and fought a war against antisemitism rejected the Dem Party's embrace of antisemitism.

  Americans whose ancestors entered the US legally rejected the Dem Party's embrace and protection of millions who entered the US illegally.

  Americans who live peaceful law-abiding lives rejected the Dem Party's embrace and protection of the thuglings who attack, rape, and steal from peaceful law-abiding Americans.

  Need more clues, Pototan?!

[FlippyDoo]

When did we discard and denigrate science?

Do you real normal science or do you mean the science that says men can get pregnant?

[SVPete]

The John Birch Society, George Wallace and the original "America First" committee that were Hitler apologists in the 1930's ...

* The John Birch Society was founded in 1958 (I had to look it up). So it could not have been a "Hitler apologist". Anachronism Fail

* George Wallace served in the Army Air Force in WW2, so he wasn't a "Hitler apologist". Contrary Reality Fail

* While the pre-WW2 "America First" committee did have some members who were anti-Semites (anti-Semite Henry Ford got booted out, while Charles Lindbergh was a prominent AF speaker), it had a broad range of people, R, D, Communist, anti-Communist, industrialists, farmers, etc.. As for supporters of Hitler, at least one, Laura Ingalls (not THAT Laura Ingalls), was a Nazi agent whose Nazi handler had her infiltrate the group. What united the group was isolationism - not wanting another bloody war and the belief that a strong military and the two oceans sufficed to protect the US. Fallacy of Composition Fail

As part of the Polio Vaccine generation, WTF is happening to our commitment to medicine.

I'm guessing this is an allusion to anti-Covid-vaxxerism, which, obviously, exists. It's been quite a while since I checked the stats, but Pototan seems ignorant of the fact that more than 230 million Americans received the full dosage of one of the 4 Covid vaccines authorized or approved for use in the US. While I disagree with anti-Covid-vaxxerism, people who accept it are not nutters, they just believe "The Vaccine" is dangerous.

More generally, "Public Health" people in 2020 and 2021 went wa-a-a-a-aaaayyyyyyy overboard in their shutdowns and other requirements, and their excesses have severely damaged their credibility. Their initial (early 2020) claims that Trump was exaggerating Covid for racist/xenophobic reasons probably didn't help their credibility.

[ADsOutburst]

I can now say that Bush, McCain and Romney were normal people with different opinions.

One wonders what democrats will say about Trump in the future, when they will no doubt declare whoever the Republican candidate/President/President-Elect is to be the greatest threat to democracy known to man.

[FlippyDoo]

One wonders what democrats will say about Trump in the future, when they will no doubt declare whoever the Republican candidate/President/President-Elect is to be the greatest threat to democracy known to man.

I didn't notice that part of the DUmmie's rant until I saw your post. It's funny considering how many time Bush has been called Hitler on DU through the years.

[Old n Grumpy]

The greatest threat to democracy, and to mankind is your progressive Democrats and their demented agenda

[BamaMoose]

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I'm guessing this is an allusion to anti-Covid-vaxxerism, which, obviously, exists. It's been quite a while since I checked the stats, but Pototan seems ignorant of the fact that more than 230 million Americans received the full dosage of one of the 4 Covid vaccines authorized or approved for use in the US. While I disagree with anti-Covid-vaxxerism, people who accept it are not nutters, they just believe "The Vaccine" is dangerous.

More generally, "Public Health" people in 2020 and 2021 went wa-a-a-a-aaaayyyyyyy overboard in their shutdowns and other requirements, and their excesses have severely damaged their credibility. Their initial (early 2020) claims that Trump was exaggerating Covid for racist/xenophobic reasons probably didn't help their credibility.

Perhaps some of the anti-COVID vaxxers listened to Biden and Harris during the 2020 race:

In an interview for a journalism conference Aug. 6, 2020, he (Biden) said:

"The way he (Trump) talks about the vaccine is not particularly rational. He’s talking about it being ready, he’s going to talk about moving it quicker than the scientists think it should be moved … . People don’t believe that he’s telling the truth, therefore they’re not at all certain they’re going to take the vaccine. And one more thing: If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/23/tiktok-posts/biden-harris-doubted-trump-covid-19-vaccines-not-v/

Sen. Kamala Harris of California said during Wednesday (07 October 2020) night’s vice presidential debate with Vice President Mike Pence that she does not trust the administration’s push to rush a coronavirus vaccine into production.

“If the public health professionals, if Dr. [Anthony] Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely,” Harris said during the live debate in Salt Lake City, when she was asked if Americans should take a vaccine, if the Trump administration were to approve one either before or after the election. “But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it. I’m not taking it.”

The debate moderator, Susan Page, asked Pence a different question, but Pence took the opportunity to respond to Harris.

“We’re going to have a vaccine in record time — in unheard-of time — in less than a year,” he said. “We have five companies in Phase 3 clinical trials. And we're right now producing tens of millions of doses. So the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine, if the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration, I think is unconscionable. And senator, I just ask you: Stop playing politics with people’s lives.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kamala-harris-says-she-wont-take-covid-vaccine-just-on-trumps-sayso-020511962.html

When people talk about not trusting the vaccine, or not trusting the Government's efforts in creating it, they really need to consider that a lot of the negative press was being generated by the Democrats who were desperate to win the White House.