Boston Bean: Democrats need to figure out how we lost

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boston bean (36,450 posts) Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:14 AM
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Democrats need to figure out how we lost to a convicted felon and adjudicated rapist.

I support democrats.

But damn it all to bits, something is seriously wrong.

No we weren’t cheated. Yes there are haters.

I don’t know what more we, their voters can do. They have got to figure this out.

Lurking DUmmies, I am going to make this pellucidly clear to you...

• The legal issues you pin on Trump were grossly inflated, and most should not have been applied at all. Saying he's a 34x convicted felon because someone who hates him says so? Sorry, not buying it. And most people like me don't buy it. Intelligent people know a good old fashioned railroading when they see it.
• Also, your concern about Trump's "felonies" is greatly diminished by the fact that you all want Biden to quickly pardon his junkie son, who did many times worse than Thump.
• Real American women are secure in their gender status and in their sexuality. Most women enjoy their femininity. It isn't something that they sit around thinking about. Based on what I have heard from women (who don't live in Brooklyn, Portland, Silver Lake, or Madison), it's off-putting to have men cosplaying as women described as "women." Dick,  nuts, makeup, and a wig make you a member of Poison, not a woman. Real women bristle at the insistence of people sitting in university offices or broadcast studios that someone born with a dick and nuts can magically become a woman. Indeed, if a man can somehow wear makeup and heels and become a woman, then why don't any prominent left wing lesbians take on as a partner? I don't see Rachel Maddow with anything other than a hot-looking actual woman. Why is that? You want a dude with a massive dick and balls to be accepted as a woman? You and your icons go first.
• Multiply the above sense of ire by at least 1000 when you insist that a man can put on makeup and is thereby entitled to shit and piss where females - including little girls - are meant to go. Likewise, when you insist that trannies beating the shit out of women in women's sports is "brave" and "stunning," and you insist that this is progress, you lose. Immediately. Leftists, because of some sense of narcissistic guilt and untended trauma, have sacrificed their children to the culture of Twitter blue hairs. Normal women, some of whom are actually Democrats, would defend their children against that bullshit. With firearms. 
• You actually thought that women would turn up by the millions because they demand the right to murder unborn babies, up to the moment of birth. You observed the disgusting little harpies on college campuses and on tiktok, howling about Mike Joyce, and you were sure this was representative of all women. Wrong. There are tens of millions of American women who either think abortion is horrible, or they don't base their values around reproductive issues. Those women reckon, I suspect, that if you don't want to become pregnant, then use birth control, which is over 99% effective when used and used properly.
• In fact, you use abortion as an inevitable consequence of sexual activity, which is insulting and condescending to thoughtful women.
• You equate pro-life stances to religious authoritarianism, and you use works of fiction to make your point in a way that renders your arguments childish. Outlawing abortion simply means that your will have to prepare your bodies to avoid pregnancy. No one expects that you will stop having, or enjoying, sex. You people are animals, and that's what animals do. No one wants to make you a 'handmaiden.' They just don't think people have the right to murder babies.
• Black people are not the monolith you think they are, and they are certainly not as stupid as you think they are (the ones who vote, anyway...I'm not talking about Keisha, Pookie, and RayRay).
• Latinos are also not the monolith you think they are, and they are certainly not as stupid as you think they are. Your caricature of Republicans is that we think of all of them as wetbacks, when in fact the ones who come here legally and with families are at this point the most welcome of all into this country. I never saw unemployed liberals standing outside a Home Depot looking for work.  I am sure you are shocked to hear this, but people who come here legally do not want illegals here, even if they're former countrymen.  Also, for people who howl about "cultural appropriation," you guys sure have zero respect for Latino culture, which is based in large part on families and traditional gender roles. You people in Washington have this strange idea that families who want come to the US want to do so because they are desperate to live in a place where some 300 pound freak in a pink bra can try to watch little girls relieve themselves. If you want to import Central America into the US, you're going to have to accept their ACTUAL cultural norms, not just the ones TV scriptwriters invent. Also, you can shove your "Latinx" up your asses.
• Your obsession with celebrity is juvenile and off-putting. Your obsession with thawing out relics from the past, who are now multimillionaires, and having them cluck their tongues at us, is eye-rolling. Bruce Springsteen is not the everyman he was FORTY ****ING YEARS AGO. Instead, he's become a gravel-voiced Rachel Maddow cosplayer pretending to connect with the regular guy when his concert tickets cost $100. I will not even get into the issues with someone whose chief musical output is "Wet Assed *****" having to read from a script to endorse Kamala. You people think that helped: it didn't. I suppose it did secure the crucial Bronx 20-year-old mamita vote, though. Incidentally, all of the celebrities who endorsed Kamala were paid to do so.
  
• Your closing argument was that anyone who votes for Trump is a Nazi, and Trump himself is Hitler. Who approved that messaging? Does the DNC vets its communications strategy with, like, a dormitory at Oberlin? As an aging person, I can not recall one campaign, right or left, that employed as its final appeal that one is a Nazi if they cast an unapproved vote. I am not cure that you realize how off-putting, not to mention unprofessional and uninspired, name-calling is. While Trump name calls, he does so to highly placed figures, not an entire political party. I do not think any of you understand what a Nazi actually is, in any case.
  
• Saying Kamala lost because of racism and misogyny is like serving someone raw food in your restaurant and claiming their palates aren't sophisticated enough to appreciate your culinary skills. Serve up something worthwhile, and people will choose it. Kamala is, empirically, provably, OBVIOUSLY,  unprepared, unstudied, and, indeed, stupid.

At the end of the day, you stupid, feckless turds, the reason you lose and your messaging is horrifying is that your party is run by the same mentality (if not the same people) as the marketing geniuses who decided to make a tranny freak the face of Bud Light. The DNC is riddled with people who came straight from the Ivy League with thousands of ideas of how to change the viewpoint of normal, everyday Americans. If history has taught reasonable people anything, it's that you cannot control a populace by dictating cultural norms. Unfortunately, you people are Stalinists, so you sit in amazement with your avocado shit and coffee drinks and $400 sneakers wondering why we yokels just don't get it.

The chatter on TV and on DU this week is proof that you morons will continue down this path, so we'll see you and your blue hair and abortion obsession and minority condescension in 2026. Bye.

[CC27]

Lurking DUmmies, I am going to make this pellucidly clear to you...

• The legal issues you pin on Trump were grossly inflated, and most should not have been applied at all. Saying he's a 34x convicted felon because someone who hates him says so? Sorry, not buying it. And most people like me don't buy it. Intelligent people know a good old fashioned railroading when they see it.
• Also, your concern about Trump's "felonies" is greatly diminished by the fact that you all want Biden to quickly pardon his junkie son, who did many times worse than Thump.
• Real American women are secure in their gender status and in their sexuality. Most women enjoy their femininity. It isn't something that they sit around thinking about. Based on what I have heard from women (who don't live in Brooklyn, Portland, Silver Lake, or Madison), it's off-putting to have men cosplaying as women described as "women." Dick,  nuts, makeup, and a wig make you a member of Poison, not a woman. Real women bristle at the insistence of people sitting in university offices or broadcast studios that someone born with a dick and nuts can magically become a woman. Indeed, if a man can somehow wear makeup and heels and become a woman, then why don't any prominent left wing lesbians take on as a partner? I don't see Rachel Maddow with anything other than a hot-looking actual woman. Why is that? You want a dude with a massive dick and balls to be accepted as a woman? You and your icons go first.
• Multiply the above sense of ire by at least 1000 when you insist that a man can put on makeup and is thereby entitled to shit and piss where females - including little girls - are meant to go. Likewise, when you insist that trannies beating the shit out of women in women's sports is "brave" and "stunning," and you insist that this is progress, you lose. Immediately. Leftists, because of some sense of narcissistic guilt and untended trauma, have sacrificed their children to the culture of Twitter blue hairs. Normal women, some of whom are actually Democrats, would defend their children against that bullshit. With firearms. 
• You actually thought that women would turn up by the millions because they demand the right to murder unborn babies, up to the moment of birth. You observed the disgusting little harpies on college campuses and on tiktok, howling about Mike Joyce, and you were sure this was representative of all women. Wrong. There are tens of millions of American women who either think abortion is horrible, or they don't base their values around reproductive issues. Those women reckon, I suspect, that if you don't want to become pregnant, then use birth control, which is over 99% effective when used and used properly.
• In fact, you use abortion as an inevitable consequence of sexual activity, which is insulting and condescending to thoughtful women.
• You equate pro-life stances to religious authoritarianism, and you use works of fiction to make your point in a way that renders your arguments childish. Outlawing abortion simply means that your will have to prepare your bodies to avoid pregnancy. No one expects that you will stop having, or enjoying, sex. You people are animals, and that's what animals do. No one wants to make you a 'handmaiden.' They just don't think people have the right to murder babies.
• Black people are not the monolith you think they are, and they are certainly not as stupid as you think they are (the ones who vote, anyway...I'm not talking about Keisha, Pookie, and RayRay).
• Latinos are also not the monolith you think they are, and they are certainly not as stupid as you think they are. Your caricature of Republicans is that we think of all of them as wetbacks, when in fact the ones who come here legally and with families are at this point the most welcome of all into this country. I never saw unemployed liberals standing outside a Home Depot looking for work.  I am sure you are shocked to hear this, but people who come here legally do not want illegals here, even if they're former countrymen.  Also, for people who howl about "cultural appropriation," you guys sure have zero respect for Latino culture, which is based in large part on families and traditional gender roles. You people in Washington have this strange idea that families who want come to the US want to do so because they are desperate to live in a place where some 300 pound freak in a pink bra can try to watch little girls relieve themselves. If you want to import Central America into the US, you're going to have to accept their ACTUAL cultural norms, not just the ones TV scriptwriters invent. Also, you can shove your "Latinx" up your asses.
• Your obsession with celebrity is juvenile and off-putting. Your obsession with thawing out relics from the past, who are now multimillionaires, and having them cluck their tongues at us, is eye-rolling. Bruce Springsteen is not the everyman he was FORTY ****ING YEARS AGO. Instead, he's become a gravel-voiced Rachel Maddow cosplayer pretending to connect with the regular guy when his concert tickets cost $100. I will not even get into the issues with someone whose chief musical output is "Wet Assed *****" having to read from a script to endorse Kamala. You people think that helped: it didn't. I suppose it did secure the crucial Bronx 20-year-old mamita vote, though. Incidentally, all of the celebrities who endorsed Kamala were paid to do so.
  
• Saying Kamala lost because of racism and misogyny is like serving someone raw food in your restaurant and claiming their palates aren't sophisticated enough to appreciate your culinary skills. Serve up something worthwhile, and people will choose it. Kamala is, empirically, provably, OBVIOUSLY,  unprepared, unstudied, and, indeed, stupid.

At the end of the day, you stupid, feckless turds, the reason you lose and your messaging is horrifying is that your party is run by the same mentality (if not the same people) as the marketing geniuses who decided to make a tranny freak the face of Bud Light. The DNC is riddled with people who came straight from the Ivy League with thousands of ideas of how to change the viewpoint of normal, everyday Americans. If history has taught reasonable people anything, it's that you cannot control a populace by dictating cultural norms. Unfortunately, you people are Stalinists, so you sit in amazement with your avocado shit and coffee drinks and $400 sneakers wondering why we yokels just don't get it.

The chatter on TV and on DU this week is proof that you morons will continue down this path, so we'll see you and your blue hair and abortion obsession and minority condescension in 2026. Bye.

High five!

[USA4ME]

One thing for certain, if the Dems figure it out, it wont happen on DU. In fact, if the Dems come to the same conclusions as those being floated on DU right now, then the Dems didn’t figure out why they lost, because DUers are missing it by infinite light years.

A good start would be telling the rank and file “If you’re to the left of Joe Manchin, you need to find another party, we don’t want you.” But that would require backbone and intelligence, something that Dems don’t possess.

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[Old n Grumpy]

You didn’t just lose, you were beaten like a rented mule. So much so your candidate slunk away in disgrace.

Your candidate is a half wit who would not answer the questions American voters were asking. Basically we’re not buying what you are selling.

[Karin]

Outstanding, BFDU.  I was thinking along the same lines as your first bullet point.  No DUmmie has questioned the wisdom of going down this lawfare road.  They've been screaming "34 convicted felonies!!!" for months now, and it had no effect.  Everyone knows all of it was bullshit, and it scared the shit out of people as well.  If they can do it to him, they can do it to you.  And we don't have the money to handle it. 

My only quibble is with bullet point no. 7.  The DUmmies are much too hideous and revolting for anyone to have sex with them. 

[BannedFromDU]

The DUmmies are much too hideous and revolting for anyone to have sex with them.

    Unfathomable though it may be, they copulate with each other.

[SVPete]

* Bidenflation.

* Open borders.

* Soaring, consequence-free crime.

* Anti-white and anti-Asian racism.

* Acceptance by Dems of antisemitism and Biden's Screw-Israel foreign policy.

* Anti-Christian and anti-Judaism (specifically, the obervants varieties of each) actions and rhetoric.

* Denial of and lying about obvious realities by misleading Dems and their media shills.

Brevity is not my gift, but dayum! How hard is it to see these un-nuanced major factors?

[BannedFromDU]

* Bidenflation.

* Open borders.

* Soaring, consequence-free crime.

* Anti-white and anti-Asian racism.

* Acceptance by Dems of antisemitism and Biden's Screw-Israel foreign policy.

* Anti-Christian and anti-Judaism (specifically, the obervants varieties of each) actions and rhetoric.

* Denial of and lying about obvious realities by misleading Dems and their media shills.

Brevity is not my gift, but dayum! How hard is it to see these un-nuanced major factors?

     None of that registers with the 29-year-old anime-obsessed woke female Yale graduates who currently make DNC strategy and, sadly, much of US domestic and foreign policy.

[Ralph Wiggum]

They will learn absolutely NOTHING from this ass-whipping. Just hearing and reading the various reactions from the lefties confirms that they just don't know jack-shit outside their bubbles in NYC/DC/LA.

And BFDU, a great diatribe sir! I salute you!

[BannedFromDU]

They will learn absolutely NOTHING from this ass-whipping. Just hearing and reading the various reactions from the lefties confirms that they just don't know jack-shit outside their bubbles in NYC/DC/LA.

And BFDU, a great diatribe sir! I salute you!

Humble gratitude.

[ADsOutburst]

Democrats should try to figure out why they lost. But I suspect in the end, they'll revert back to using the same reasons they've been using.

[USA4ME]

Given what I'm reading at DU, elsewhere on-line, and the leftie talking heads on TV and radio, they aren't ready to have an adult conversation about why they lost. It's still racist, bigoted, homophobe, misogynist, right-wing media, blah, blah, blah... with them. Anyone who continues to hold that type of worldview will likely never be able to snap out of it and see things clearly. Their arrogance and condescending attitudes won't allow it. They would have to admit to themselves they are not intelligent at all. They aren't even close to being in the same room intellectually as conservatives. We are so far above them in every way.

But, their problem, not mine.

.

[Ralph Wiggum]

A few at least sane leftists have moved onto acceptance in the Kubler-Ross scale of grief:

Bill Maher Hilariously Eviscerates the Bratty Left Over the Election

The folks on the left have been having a hard time in the wake of President-elect Donald Trump's crushing victory in the election on Tuesday. People of all demographics came out in force to give him a mandate and delivered a resounding rejection of Kamala Harris and the Democrats. We saw crazy meltdowns from the Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin to comedian Kathy Griffin bemoaning what would happen to the world now. Anthony Scaramucci and Michael Cohen both got a little reality check (Cohen courtesy of turkey filters on a livestream and Scaramucci via epic schooling from CNBC's Joe Kernan).

But Bill Maher, despite his TDS, served up a little more reality to the left, "Losers look in the mirror."

Democrats wondered how it could be close, and they were right, it wasn't, Maher said. "Trump won so big, he called the Secretary of State in Georgia and asked him to lose him 11,000 votes."  Maher even acknowledged how Trump expanded his coalition, keeping the folks he had and then getting the new voters, doing better in every demographic. Then he lit into the liberal media, "always more offended than the victim," talking about women. But women vote on the economy just like men. Women just wanted "bacon," Maher explained. Yes, what a concept, women and men both want to be able to provide for themselves and their families.

Maher also quipped it was "so bad on election night that Kamala called McDonald's to see if she could get her old job back."  She underperformed in every demographic, although she was still performing well with illegal immigrant inmates who wanted sex change operations, he said.

Then Maher let loose on one of the reasons he thought the Democrats lost - that they were "resoundingly" rejecting the anti-common sense woke nonsense.

He pointed out how even in Los Angeles, Proposition 36 passed increasing penalties for shoplifting because people are fed up. It's not just about Trump, it's the people wanting a total change from the nonsense. People voted "Instead of locking up the toothpaste, how about locking up the shoplifters?"

He also explained how even in ultra-liberal San Francisco they had enough of "homelessness, public drug use, and defecating in the streets," voting out Mayor London Breed.

"And now London Breed's pronouns are She/Gone."

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2024/11/09/bill-maher-remarks-on-election-n2181758

Civil War Is Breaking Out in the Democratic Party

The Democratic Party is in a state of self-destruction. That’s no exaggeration. Party leaders aren’t just reeling from Donald Trump’s stunning victory earlier this week—they’re turning on each other, casting blame in a way that signals a deepening internal divide. With accusations flying and no clear direction forward, it’s clear that an intraparty civil war may be brewing.

And frankly, I’m experiencing a bit of schadenfreude watching it unfold. Trust me, it's about to get really ugly.

Honestly, I don't think this is garden variety post-defeat introspection. For starters, there are Democrats who blame Kamala Harris for running a terrible campaign and for her poor choice of running mate.

"I would've liked to see the Harris campaign – especially the national campaign – coordinate with us a little bit. Talk to us a little bit. Give us a little bit more resources. Show us some respect. Didn't happen," Philadelphia Democratic chair and former congressman Bob Brady said.

“She let the GOP define her,” a senior Democratic operative told Time Magazine. “She could have left the convention and tried to reach out to voters from across the political spectrum, but she and [running mate Tim] Walz went inexplicably into hiding and didn’t do interviews for weeks.”

Some are convinced that picking Josh Shapiro would have helped.

"I know a lot of people are probably wondering tonight what would have happened had Shapiro been on the ticket," Lindy Li, a political commentator and Democratic National Committee member, told Fox News. "And not only in terms of Pennsylvania. He's famously a moderate. So that would have signaled to the American people that she is not the San Francisco liberal that Trump said she was."

And of course, Kamala's failure to distance herself from Joe Biden was another problem.

There are some who are willing to acknowledge that the Democrats have become too radical, particularly with their embrace of gender ideology.

“The Democrats have to stop pandering to the far left,” Rep. Tom Suozzi, (D-N.Y.), told the New York Times. “I don’t want to discriminate against anybody, but I don’t think biological boys should be playing in girls’ sports.”

Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) agreed.

“Democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend anyone rather than being brutally honest about the challenges many Americans face. I have two little girls. I don’t want them getting run over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete, but as a Democrat, I’m supposed to be afraid to say that.”

But the real sign that this is about to get really ugly is that now even former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is saying that the Democratic Party would have benefited if President Biden had withdrawn from his re-election bid earlier, allowing for a competitive primary process to choose his successor. In an interview with the New York Times, Pelosi expressed what many suspected at the time of Biden’s exit: she believed Biden’s departure would lead to an internal party contest for a new nominee, rather than an automatic elevation of Vice President Kamala Harris.

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/11/09/the-democratic-party-is-on-the-verge-of-civil-war-n4934130

[CollectivismMustDie]

Short version: you lost because your ideas suck harder than kamala on willies willie, across the board

[BannedFromDU]

Short version: you lost because your ideas suck harder than kamala on willies willie, across the board

     ^5 for brevity

[Texacon]

Simply outstanding, BFDU!  High five earned and awarded!

KC

[FlippyDoo]

The legal issues you pin on Trump were grossly inflated, and most should not have been applied at all. Saying he's a 34x convicted felon because someone who hates him says so? Sorry, not buying it. And most people like me don't buy it. Intelligent people know a good old fashioned railroading when they see it.

I've been trying to tell people that since before the election. With the 34x felon situation, I (and I assume most other sane people) see it this way... If you were to take almost any demonrat politician and the have the majority of the media demonize him (or her) and declare his (or her) guilt every day for 24 hours per day, then have a clearly partisan Republican prosecutor bring vague charges in a strongly Republican district (so most jurors are Republican), and have the case heard by a clearly partisan Republican judge who openly shows favoritism to the prosecution and contempt for the defendant and then instructs the jury that they don't have to all find him (or her) guilty of the same thing, just guilty of something, that demonrat politician in question would also be a felon.

The one thing that I do wonder about though is how many dem voters are stupid enough to believe that it was an honest and unbiased proceeding from start to finish compared to how many of them are hypocritical liars who know the truth and just pretend like they don't see it.

[SVPete]

Ooo! Ooo! I know a perfect place for Dems to start figuring out how they lost! The Democrat Party Platform!!!