God damn it all to hell.

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KentuckyWoman (6,799 posts)

God damn it all to hell.
I have family in Texas. 32 yr old niece, 22 weeks along with her 3rd, got news today it's all gone wrong. That fetus needs to come out. In fact, it all has to come out. Hysterectomy. Time is of the essence, but unless she's minutes from death, it isn't happening in Texas.

She really fortunate that her husband works for a very nice person. The boss is working on getting the corporate plane ready for take off by the time they pack and get to the local airport. They'll be met at the airport in California and taken to hospital. Door to door service.

They keep saying the fight over abortion is who gets the say - the feds or the voters per state. Aside from the idiocy and cruelty of the Texas law, will someone, somewhere, explain to me like I'm 5 why we don't have to vote on whether Joe Shmoe can get his sick appendix out to save his life but the people of Texas get a vote on whether my niece can get her sick fetus out.

This is absolutely asinine. Ya'll have seen my posts and know this whole conversation sit a little close to home for me. Roe was a step up but the battle over who is allowed to have medical care and who decides has been a constant never ending pain. This HAS to stop. We need a national law that stops politicians anywhere from having anything to do with any of this. Make it so women and doctors only concern is what a patient needs, getting her care is a safe manner, and figuring out how to pay for it. That's complicated enough.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219339047

This never happened

[dutch508]

You can get an abortion in Texas...

[SVPete]

I will leave it to a Texan to cite Texas' actual law, but every state that significantly restricts or forbids abortion has a clause in their law that makes a clear exception for when a woman's life is in jeopardy. Further, contrary to some Pro-Abortionists' lie, Catholic hospitals and doctors will perform abortions in such cases. So this statement has two blatantly obvious lies:

Time is of the essence, but unless she's minutes from death, it isn't happening in Texas.

1. If there is a doctor's diagnosis that the woman's life is in jeopardy, the only delay will be for availability of a surgery facility and surgical team.

2. If time really is of the essence, why the 3 or 4 hour flight to California? If to the Land of LA, why the traffic delay? Why not bordering New Mexico or nearer-by Colorado?

This -fiction cannot withstand even slight thought and a little knowledge ... which is why DU-folk are probably lapping it up.

[enslaved1]

I will leave it to a Texan to cite Texas' actual law, but every state that significantly restricts or forbids abortion has a clause in their law that makes a clear exception for when a woman's life is in jeopardy. Further, contrary to some Pro-Abortionists' lie, Catholic hospitals and doctors will perform abortions in such cases. So this statement has two blatantly obvious lies:

1. If there is a doctor's diagnosis that the woman's life is in jeopardy, the only delay will be for availability of a surgery facility and surgical team.

2. If time really is of the essence, why the 3 or 4 hour flight to California? If to the Land of LA, why the traffic delay? Why not bordering New Mexico or nearer-by Colorado?

This -fiction cannot withstand even slight thought and a little knowledge ... which is why DU-folk are probably lapping it up.

We've had some blips about doctors claiming they don't know the nuances of the Texas law and not performing procedures in cases like ectopic pregnancies, but I've never gone down those rabbit holes to get all the details and truths.  My fear is such cases are very intentional to create legal cases as well as confusion, division, and general chaos around the laws and the abortion issue. 

[SVPete]

We've had some blips about doctors claiming they don't know the nuances of the Texas law and not performing procedures in cases like ectopic pregnancies, but I've never gone down those rabbit holes to get all the details and truths.  My fear is such cases are very intentional to create legal cases as well as confusion, division, and general chaos around the laws and the abortion issue.

Pro-Abortion doctors willing to sacrifice their patients' lives or colluding with Pro-Abortion "patients" to create court cases have and do happen. Such doctors - a small minority - should lose their licenses. It is possible that the fictional element in KentuckyWoman's is that it was planned, with no actual emergency (hence the 3-4 hour plus traffic delay), as the set-up for a Roe-style court case (it worked in 1973!).

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

I will leave it to a Texan to cite Texas' actual law, but every state that significantly restricts or forbids abortion has a clause in their law that makes a clear exception for when a woman's life is in jeopardy. Further, contrary to some Pro-Abortionists' lie, Catholic hospitals and doctors will perform abortions in such cases. So this statement has two blatantly obvious lies:

1. If there is a doctor's diagnosis that the woman's life is in jeopardy, the only delay will be for availability of a surgery facility and surgical team.

2. If time really is of the essence, why the 3 or 4 hour flight to California? If to the Land of LA, why the traffic delay? Why not bordering New Mexico or nearer-by Colorado?

This -fiction cannot withstand even slight thought and a little knowledge ... which is why DU-folk are probably lapping it up.

 
Nice work! You nailed it!

[FlippyDoo]

I read the OP and then rowed over to the island to read the replies. When I was done, the first thought that popped into my head was... If you have to constantly lie to legitimize your political position then maybe, just maybe, your position is not the correct position.

[ROCKURWORLD]

Speaking of Abortion. Has anyone looked at the Minn law for Crimes against Unborn Children?

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609/full#stat.609.266

609.266 DEFINITIONS.
The definitions in this section apply to sections 609.2114, subdivisions 1 and 2, and 609.2661 to 609.2691:

(a) "Unborn child" means the unborn offspring of a human being conceived, but not yet born.

(b) "Whoever" does not include the pregnant woman.

History: 1986 c 388 s 5; 2007 c 54 art 3 s 14; 2014 c 180 s 9; 2015 c 21 art 1 s 101
609.2661 MURDER OF UNBORN CHILD IN THE FIRST DEGREE.
Whoever does any of the following is guilty of murder of an unborn child in the first degree and must be sentenced to imprisonment for life:

(1) causes the death of an unborn child with premeditation and with intent to effect the death of the unborn child or of another;

(2) causes the death of an unborn child while committing or attempting to commit criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence, either upon or affecting the mother of the unborn child or another; or

(3) causes the death of an unborn child with intent to effect the death of the unborn child or another while committing or attempting to commit burglary, aggravated robbery, carjacking in the first or second degree, kidnapping, arson in the first or second degree, tampering with a witness in the first degree, or escape from custody.

History: 1986 c 388 s 6; 2023 c 52 art 20 s 19
609.2662 MURDER OF UNBORN CHILD IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
Whoever does either of the following is guilty of murder of an unborn child in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 40 years:

(1) causes the death of an unborn child with intent to effect the death of that unborn child or another, but without premeditation; or

(2) causes the death of an unborn child, without intent to effect the death of any unborn child or person, while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct in the first or second degree with force or violence.

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