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DOW just broke 40,000
« on: May 16, 2024, 01:06:59 PM »
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DOW just broke 40,000
First time ever. Biden should call a press conference to take credit. His economy is builot for working people, and when working people do well, so do investors.

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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2024, 01:25:42 PM »
Explain why Comatose Joe has a single thing to do with the Dow Jones rise, and show your work. Which of course none of you can, so I'll summarize what's going on.

The Dow has reached this height despite Sharter Joe, not because of him. Government spending is beyond out of control, and its related components are almost the only part of the economy that is benefiting. The artificial intelligence industry boom would have happened under any President, and its major companies are almost the ONLY ones that are propping up the overall economy.

Additionally, a bunch of fund managers got all giddy like little schoolgirls with overenthusiastic exuberance over five possible rate cuts this year. As piss poor as the underlying economic factors are, not only should there NOT be a bunch of rate cuts, the Fed should RAISE the funds rate which would stabilize that overall economy. The head of the Fed has suggested that no rate cuts are coming, but possibly one. Jerome Powell will be under tremendous pressure if he reduces rates in September immediately before a Presidential election. I'll bet he actually does it, putting his thumb on a MAJOR economic trigger. It will be disastrous in the long run, but Biden's lackeys will make him do it.

That's about the shortest synopsis I can give, but it is far and above anything a lib might spout when crowing about this falsely propped up economy.
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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2024, 01:31:35 PM »
OK, my head hurts from reading some of the DUmp chatter on this thread:

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Johnny2X2X (19,330 posts)
20. Markets are a factor toward the overall health of the economy
Reply to progressoid (Reply #13)
Thu May 16, 2024, 12:06 PM
First, wage growth is the biggest factor for a healthy economy to me. Wage growth has exceeded inflation for well over a year now, and real wages (that is wages taking into account inflation) are higher now than before covid.

Next, jobs is extrememlly important. Job creation means that there is demand for workers, this leads to wage growth.

GDP growth is what dries job growth.

And earnings is what causes companies to invest in themselves and their workers and lead to all of the above. So the markets are improtant for the overall health of the economy. And 80% of workers are invested in it. It matters to regular people, just look at when it was down how much regular people were complaining about it.

Wage growth is absolutely f-ing NOT exceeding inflation growth.

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26. ?????????
Reply to Johnny2X2X (Reply #20)
Thu May 16, 2024, 12:40 PM
And earnings is what causes companies to invest in themselves and their workers and lead to all of the above

This only works if they get taxed higher on profits, and want to put the money back in growth rather than just give it to the government.

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Johnny2X2X (19,330 posts)
27. But the economy is in fact growing
Reply to k55f5r (Reply #26)
Thu May 16, 2024, 12:44 PM
And job growth has been breaking records. Why? Because demand is there, because people have money to spend, thus companies must invest their earnings to meet that demand or they lose market share.

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29. Healthy economy for who?
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Thu May 16, 2024, 12:47 PM

- The richest Americans own the vast majority of the US stock market, according to Fed data.

- The top 10% of Americans held 93% of all stocks, the highest level ever recorded.

- Meanwhile, the bottom 50% of Americans held just 1% of all stocks in the third quarter of 2023.

Walmart announced hundreds of layoffs yesterday while its share price hit a record high in March.

A third of Amazon workers have to rely on government assistance programs.
Half of Amazon warehouse workers struggle with food and housing costs.
Amazon's stock hit an all time high in April.

More Americans are falling behind on their credit card bills.

About 8.9% of credit card balances fell into delinquency over the last year, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of New York — a sign that a growing number of borrowers are feeling the strain of rising prices and high interest rates.

"Everything is more expensive. Debt is more expensive. Rent is more expensive. Food, gas, everything," says Charlie Wise, senior vice president at TransUnion, the credit reporting firm. "Even with relatively healthy wage gains we've seen over last several years, many consumers just aren't keeping up with the price pressures."

Actually the truth, which gets ignored and instead you get Barbra Streisand like this:

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34. And how did it get that way?
Reply to progressoid (Reply #29)
Thu May 16, 2024, 01:08 PM
50 years of Conservaive economic policy?

And how is it getting better now and in the future? Joe Biden's working people centric economic policies.

Wage growth has been robust, but the internals of the wage growth are even better.
https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20240323298/the-lowest-paid-us-workers-are-seeing-their-wages-surge-faster-than-any-other-group-of-earners

"Real wages of the lowest-paid workers grew 12.1% between 2019 and 2023, researchers at the left-leaning think tank found, surging faster than the wages of any other group of earners. That number is adjusted for inflation."


Joe Biden knows healthy economies are built from the bottom up, not the top down.

Wrong.

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44. But it's not braggng about how well the top is doing
Reply to progressoid (Reply #42)
Thu May 16, 2024, 02:14 PM
It's showing that the whole economy does better with a Democrat in charge. And more than half of people are invested in the markets through their retirements, I for one am far from wealthy, but very appreciative that my 401K is doing to well right now.

And furthermore, the company I work for is listed on the stock market and it also doing very well, making our plans for expansion and acquisitions more possible. Making the chances of any layoffs very small in the near term. Tens of millions of Americans work for these companies and are happy to see their company's stock prices doing well. It's not just ther 1% benefitting from this.

And on top of that, Biden frames his statement on this correctly in that Trump said the markets would crash and they aren't.

A DOW at 40,000 is related to UE under 4% and ecord job growth. And all 3 are related to wage growth, which has exceeded inflation for some time now.

No one's cheering for what this means to the 1%, they're always doing great. But they are cheering for a soaring economy that shows few signs of slowing down. Democrats are always better for the economy than Republicans. I thought Biden's released statement on this was right on the mark.

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14. Trump is taking credit, claiming it's because of his polling or something like that
Reply to Johnny2X2X (Original post)
Thu May 16, 2024, 11:51 AM
GOP bloviates endlessly about inflation because they like to buy stuff. They don't care about the American workers who make stuff and provide services. They just want it done cheaply with as much abuse and suffering as possible for the ungrateful peons. They are such "job creators".

Republicans have been promising recession for 4 years now. I'm beginning to think it's like Republicans promising tax cuts will trickle down, or the rapture, or Mexico paying for the wall

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30. When you take credit for the Dow going up, you own it when it goes down.
Reply to Johnny2X2X (Original post)
Thu May 16, 2024, 12:49 PM
Most presidents don't want that hanging around their neck.

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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2024, 02:32:30 PM »
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GOP bloviates endlessly about inflation because they like to buy stuff. They don't care about the American workers who make stuff and provide services. They just want it done cheaply with as much abuse and suffering as possible for the ungrateful peons. They are such "job creators".

:o Uh, workers who make stuff and provide services like to buy things too. They're probably the ones who notice and are affected by inflation the most.

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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2024, 10:41:31 AM »
Meanwhile, the Dow/Nasdaq/S&P have all been taking it in the shorts the past couple of weeks as the Dow industrial average has dropped back to 38k.

And there's this:

Bidenomics: GDP Revised Down To A Slower 1.3% Growth Rate

The U.S. economy grew less than previously thought in the first three months of the year, expanding at an annual pace of just 1.3 percent, revised government data showed Thursday.

The downward revision was primarily driven by data showing that consumer spending grew by significantly less than previously estimated.

This was the smallest expansion in gross domestic product in almost two years. The prior estimate had the economy growing at a 1.6 percent pace in the first quarter.

Consumer spending grew an an annualized pace of two percent in the first quarter, the new figures show, down from the previous estimate of 2.5 percent. In the second half of last year, consumer spending had expanded at a better than three percent rate.

The slowdown in consumer spending is likely related to inflation, which has pinched household buying power. What’s more, most of the excess savings built up during the pandemic due to stimulus programs and Covid-related economic repression has been spent.

The biggest contributors to the slowdown since last year were a widening trade deficit and a smaller increase in business inventories. Businesses tend to cut back on inventories when they expect sales to be sluggish.

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2024/05/30/bidenomics-gdp-revised-down-to-a-slower-1-3-growth-rate/

Revisions to past reports are largely ignored by the media, but Breitbart's John Carney and other notable economists are an invaluable resource in this area.
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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2024, 11:37:14 AM »
OhBummer!'s economy was Unexpectedly 1.0. LIEden's is Unexpectedly 2.0. The LIEden versions has the features of unemployment numbers almost always being "corrected" upward and GDP and consumer activity numbers being "corrected" downward.
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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2024, 11:37:34 AM »
Only DUmmies would slow clap a propped up DOW etc...  not understanding just what that means.
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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2024, 02:37:11 PM »
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His economy is builot for working people

Who knew joe had a secret plan?  :thatsright:
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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2024, 02:57:13 PM »
Hey, DUmmie, due to Bidenflation the DOW is worth about 20% less than its nominal value compared to the value of dollar when Biden took office.

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Re: DOW just broke 40,000
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2024, 03:13:50 PM »
The current market is being held aloft to the degree it is because of the Large Cap corps. Small and Mid Caps are taking a hit right now and it’s just a matter of time until the Large Caps experience the same. They became addicted to borrowing money at low rates and now they’re having to pay them off and borrow at higher rates. Debt is getting ready to kill the market.

Of course tell this info to the primitives and they’ll just stare at you like you’re from another planet. They haven’t a clue about economics.

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