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What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« on: September 10, 2008, 03:05:25 PM »
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What makes people vote Republican?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/haidt08/haidt08_index.h...

Outstandingly insightful article examining people's motivation for voting Republican. More important, it give Democrats a lot of good pointers on how to capture those very voters that it now alienates.

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What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies? 


Yeah, our interests would be served by not seeing a dime of what we make.  :whatever: If stupidity were painful, you'd need morphine to quell the agony, DUmbass. Dontcha just love it when they go all pop-psychology? And of course, Godwin's law:
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We psychologists have been examining the origins of ideology ever since Hitler sent us Germany's best psychologists,

Ever get the sense that these "psychologists" went into their chosen field just to be able to diagnose their own disorders? Transparent as cellophane.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2008, 03:29:42 PM »
Democrats/Liberals/DUmmies all confuse the hell out of me.  They wonder how working class people can vote against their own interests.  Obama recently said that raising the taxes on the top 5% to give tax breaks to the other 95% was about fairness.  No, it isn't, just ask the top 5%.

I mean, hell, I'm in a union, and have been for almost 20 years, and have never once voted Dem, except in one local county election.  It's not about voting for yourself, always.  Sometimes "Fairness" enters into it, and that is something the Dems do not believe in.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2008, 03:56:41 PM »
I read the article to which the DUmmie made reference.  Basically it's another self-appointed intellectual who believes if liberals reframe the way they present their argument then they stand a better chance of converting conservatives to see things their way.  It seems to skip right past the fact that how the argument is presented isn't the issue, but rather it's what they want to do that is unacceptable regardless of how it's served.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 04:00:58 PM »
I vote republican because the democrat party is the new socialist party and every time socialism has been tried tens of millions of people die and hundreds of millions suffer horribly.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2008, 04:32:08 PM »
I read the article to which the DUmmie made reference.  Basically it's another self-appointed intellectual who believes if liberals reframe the way they present their argument then they stand a better chance of converting conservatives to see things their way.  It seems to skip right past the fact that how the argument is presented isn't the issue, but rather it's what they want to do that is unacceptable regardless of how it's served.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 04:35:56 PM »
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Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies?

Bullshit.

My economic interests are not better served by a bunch of pandering elitists that hope to imprison me in a system of economic dependence on government and as an extension of it,them.


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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 04:40:33 PM »
What makes primitives so stupid?

What makes primitives so self-centered?

What makes primitives so closed-minded?

What makes primitives so reactionary?

What makes primitives so arrogant?

What makes primitives so Hate-filled?

What makes primitives so meaningless to the real world?

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 04:59:51 PM »
Q. What makes people vote Republican?   
A. Better candidates from the Republican side, normally. This election however has people voting Republican because of bad Democrat candidates as well.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 05:13:13 PM »
When someone asks me why I won't vote for democrats, my pat answers is because I am not a socialist.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2008, 08:14:18 PM »
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We psychologists have been examining the origins of ideology ever since Hitler sent us Germany's best psychologists, and we long ago reported that strict parenting and a variety of personal insecurities work together to turn people against liberalism, diversity, and progress.

Progress toward a society without morals is not progress.  Diversity that excludes white men, Christians, and people like Trig Palin is not progress.  Liberalism is a thought process that elitist professors brainwash into college students, not a workable solution for a real society.


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But now that we can map the brains, genes, and unconscious attitudes of conservatives, we have refined our diagnosis: conservatism is a partially heritable personality trait that predisposes some people to be cognitively inflexible, fond of hierarchy, and inordinately afraid of uncertainty, change, and death.

Uncertainty?  Like the uncertainty the left now feels about our election?  Handling it rather poorly, and with an unhealty dose of sexism, aren't you? 

Change?  Like the change the Republican ticket has proven, in contrast to the Democratic talk?

Death?  The party of "fundies" is afraid of death?   :rotf:  Or death, like the million plus annual abortions your side supports...and wants funded by taxpayer money. 

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Democrats, in contrast, appeal to reason with their long-winded explorations of policy options for a complex world.

Reason?  Like "lipstick on a pig?"  Quoting comic strips?   :rotf:

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In the psychological community, where almost all of us are politically liberal, our diagnosis of conservatism gives us the additional pleasure of shared righteous anger.

Well, your side certainly has the anger. 

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We can explain how Republicans exploit frames, phrases, and fears to trick Americans into supporting policies (such as the "war on terror" and repeal of the "death tax") that damage the national interest for partisan advantage.

This is an interesting thing to read on Sept 10th.  And the "death tax," which you obviously misunderstand, (I know, all that "reason" clogs up those brain cells,) is a tax on the living who have the "nerve" to inherit.

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Our diagnosis explains away Republican successes while convincing us and our fellow liberals that we hold the moral high ground.

Explain that moral high ground on the foundation of millions of dead infants, ok?

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Our diagnosis tells us that we have nothing to learn from other ideologies, and it blinds us to what I think is one of the main reasons that so many Americans voted Republican over the last 30 years: they honestly prefer the Republican vision of a moral order to the one offered by Democrats.

Congrats.  You're getting there.

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know at least a little bit about theology.  Obviously, you missed that subject somewhere in your study of morality and culture.  But don't let your total ignorance distract you from saying some stupid stuff. 

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For my dissertation research, I made up stories about people who did things that were disgusting or disrespectful yet perfectly harmless. For example, what do you think about a woman who can't find any rags in her house so she cuts up an old American flag and uses the pieces to clean her toilet, in private? Or how about a family whose dog is killed by a car, so they dismember the body and cook it for dinner? I read these stories to 180 young adults and 180 eleven-year-old children, half from higher social classes and half from lower, in the USA and in Brazil. I found that most of the people I interviewed said that the actions in these stories were morally wrong, even when nobody was harmed.

Reading stories like this to 11 year old children may not fit your idea of "morally wrong," but my overall impression of your intelligence and morals continues to decline.

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This research led me to two conclusions. First, when gut feelings are present, dispassionate reasoning is rare.

Now that almost sounds like a "fundie" position.  When we must rely on our own sense of right and wrong, we get it wrong a lot.  If we're smart enough to rely on God's right and wrong, things are much clearer.  Somehow, I doubt you've gotten that far, yet...

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Turiel's description of morality as being about justice, rights, and human welfare worked perfectly for the college students I interviewed at Penn, but it simply did not capture the moral concerns of the less elite groups—the working-class people in both countries who were more likely to justify their judgments with talk about respect, duty, and family roles.

Well, there you go.  The "elites" obviously have no respect for others, no sense of duty for others, and certainly have problems relating to their families. 

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But how can Democrats learn to see—let alone respect—a moral order they regard as narrow-minded, racist, and dumb?

Well, they could start by taking the log out of their own eye.  If I've ever seen racism, I've seen it on Democratic sites...along with tons of sexism lately.  Talk about narrow-minded and dumb!


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On Turiel's definition of morality ("justice, rights, and welfare"), Christian and Hindu communities don't look good. They restrict people's rights (especially sexual rights), encourage hierarchy and conformity to gender roles, and make people spend extraordinary amounts of time in prayer and ritual practices that seem to have nothing to do with "real" morality.

Perhaps if you'd actually lived with Christians the way you lived with Hindus, you wouldn't continue to sound so stupid.  Try it sometime.  ::)

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We think of the moral mind as being like an audio equalizer, with five slider switches for different parts of the moral spectrum. Democrats generally use a much smaller part of the spectrum than do Republicans.

Another true statement...although you probably don't see the problems with the Democrats' "much smaller part."

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Democrats often seem to think of voters as consumers; they rely on polls to choose a set of policy positions that will convince 51% of the electorate to buy.

Probably why you usually remind us of used car salesmen.  Those "younger voters" you depend on start getting more conservative with every increase in taxes and every time they're cheated by a salesman.  If they manage to stay off drugs and stay out of the "Ivory Tower," they end up Republicans for just this reason.

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Durkheim long ago said that God is really society projected up into the heavens, a collective delusion that enables collectives to exist, suppress selfishness, and endure.

Well, you must feel better now.  Someone else actually said something less intelligent than you...though quoting him doesn't make you look much smarter, I'm afraid.

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The Democrats must find a way to close the sacredness gap that goes beyond occasional and strategic uses of the words "God" and "faith." But if Durkheim is right, then sacredness is really about society and its collective concerns. God is useful but not necessary. The Democrats could close much of the gap if they simply learned to see society not just as a collection of individuals—each with a panoply of rights--but as an entity in itself, an entity that needs some tending and caring.

Ah...no. 


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The ingroup/loyalty foundation supports virtues of patriotism and self-sacrifice that can lead to dangerous nationalism, but in moderate doses a sense that "we are all one" is a recipe for high social capital and civic well-being.

It's also fairly useful when trying to win a war.  A real war, not the unwinnable "war on poverty."


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Democrats should think carefully, therefore, about why they celebrate diversity. If the purpose of diversity programs is to fight racism and discrimination (worthy goals based on fairness concerns), then these goals might be better served by encouraging assimilation and a sense of shared identity.

The purity/sanctity foundation is used heavily by the Christian right...

Well, you just blew that sense of shared identity with that discriminatory phrase.

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The Democrats would lose their souls if they ever abandoned their commitment to social justice, but social justice is about getting fair relationships among the parts of the nation.

Except the wealthy, the fundies, the uppity women, the repukes, the babies that "should have been aborted, the...

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Until Democrats understand this point, they will be vulnerable to the seductive but false belief that Americans vote for Republicans primarily because they have been duped into doing so.

Well, you're partly right.  Until Democrats understand that their ideas of fairness, righteousness, morals, liberty, freedom, etc. etc, are completely different from Republicans, conservatives, Christians, and most rural folk, they are never going to be able to get over that "duped" talking point.



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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 08:34:31 PM »
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In the psychological community, where almost all of us are politically liberal, our diagnosis of conservatism gives us the additional pleasure of shared righteous anger.

If these Quacks really are professionals, sounds like it's time to call state license boards and/or DOJ.
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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 09:21:46 PM »
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What makes people vote Republican?

My brains and my balls. 

Oh, and that whole "freedom" thingy. 
 

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2008, 01:31:33 AM »
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fiziwig  (1000+ posts)      Wed Sep-10-08 01:37 PM
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What makes people vote Republican?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_c...e/haidt08/haidt08_index.h...

Outstandingly insightful article examining people's motivation for voting Republican. More important, it give Democrats a lot of good pointers on how to capture those very voters that it now alienates.

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What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies?

Just who the hell do you think you are deciding what is in MY economic best interest? YOU decide things like "universal health care", "taxing the rich", and yet another government program are in MY best interest and then excoriate ME for not buying into it? I may be a hick but I sure run my life better than some elitist ass who holds me and the way I live in contempt. Let me illustrate one of your newest "government programs" that has had a great impact on my life:

Like many rural folks, I've spent the last 5 or so years fighting against NAIS (National Animal ID program). This would've required me to document EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, provide paperwork to the US Government for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, pay licensing fees for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, and to track, log, and report the "movements" of EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm. That means if 3 of my hens have 10 chicks (I have a lot more than that every year), I have to license and pay a fee for each one of them. As a general rule, one loses a certain number of chicks each year. Those would have to be reported too (with a fee for processing, I'm sure). If I sold hens, chicks, or hatching eggs, that information would be the business of Uncle Sam. This would devastate small farmers like myself, the time lost and fees would make it impossible for me to continue to provide those "organic free range brown eggs" liberals think are healthier...it'd be factory chickens or nothing in many areas. Large farms and ranches (you know, like those owned by Hollywood elite who like to play cowboy between movies) would be able to obtain a single ID for large lots of animals.

And why? To keep us all safe, of course! To prevent disease and insure quality! Just another example of the government looking out for the welfare of the common man. I don't need some low-level Washington bureaucrat whose entire knowledge about farms consists of a field trip he took in second grade passing judgment on my farm. I exceed USDA standards for my eggs, meat, and heritage breeds. I do this not because I have to, but because I take pride in my work. I have the best quality control team in the country: my neighbors, because they're also my customers. Luckily (at least for now) we've managed to cool the government's jets and make the program "voluntary".

Now I know this work ethic and "independent" streak somehow makes me an uptight, religious nutcase, but with all due respect...who the **** are you to judge me? Who are you to decide "this" is moral and "that" is not? You spend your life tossing around esoteric theories that benefit no one (but certainly seem to stroke your own ego) and you have the gall to presume to tell half the citizens of this country they're "narrow-minded" and dumb? At least what I do can provide someone with a nutritious breakfast. Considering all the mental cases at DU, I'd say you psychologists aren't all that successful. You pride yourselves on being nonjudgmental yet you have no problem narrowly defining "good", "right", and "moral" and then deciding who does and doesn't get to march in your elitist hit parade.

Oh, and using 50 words to say something that could be said in 10 doesn't make you "smart", it just makes you a blow hard. For instance, I could say, "I would feel superb delectation if you would be so kind as to have intercourse with the fleshy part of your ego, you illegitimate rattus norvegicus". Or I could simply say, "Go **** yourself you rat bastard!"

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2008, 01:34:39 AM »
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What makes people vote Republican?

Reading the DUmp and any other DUmpesq liberal bullshit in the world.
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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2008, 01:38:07 AM »
Democrats and other assorted leftists are utilitarians.  They cannot comprehend why non-leftists vote the way they do simply because they are incapable of viewing the world through a non-utilitarian lens.
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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
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fiziwig  (1000+ posts)      Wed Sep-10-08 01:37 PM
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What makes people vote Republican?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_c...e/haidt08/haidt08_index.h...

Outstandingly insightful article examining people's motivation for voting Republican. More important, it give Democrats a lot of good pointers on how to capture those very voters that it now alienates.

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What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies?

Just who the hell do you think you are deciding what is in MY economic best interest? YOU decide things like "universal health care", "taxing the rich", and yet another government program are in MY best interest and then excoriate ME for not buying into it? I may be a hick but I sure run my life better than some elitist ass who holds me and the way I live in contempt. Let me illustrate one of your newest "government programs" that has had a great impact on my life:

Like many rural folks, I've spent the last 5 or so years fighting against NAIS (National Animal ID program). This would've required me to document EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, provide paperwork to the US Government for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, pay licensing fees for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, and to track, log, and report the "movements" of EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm. That means if 3 of my hens have 10 chicks (I have a lot more than that every year), I have to license and pay a fee for each one of them. As a general rule, one loses a certain number of chicks each year. Those would have to be reported too (with a fee for processing, I'm sure). If I sold hens, chicks, or hatching eggs, that information would be the business of Uncle Sam. This would devastate small farmers like myself, the time lost and fees would make it impossible for me to continue to provide those "organic free range brown eggs" liberals think are healthier...it'd be factory chickens or nothing in many areas. Large farms and ranches (you know, like those owned by Hollywood elite who like to play cowboy between movies) would be able to obtain a single ID for large lots of animals.

And why? To keep us all safe, of course! To prevent disease and insure quality! Just another example of the government looking out for the welfare of the common man. I don't need some low-level Washington bureaucrat whose entire knowledge about farms consists of a field trip he took in second grade passing judgment on my farm. I exceed USDA standards for my eggs, meat, and heritage breeds. I do this not because I have to, but because I take pride in my work. I have the best quality control team in the country: my neighbors, because they're also my customers. Luckily (at least for now) we've managed to cool the government's jets and make the program "voluntary".

Now I know this work ethic and "independent" streak somehow makes me an uptight, religious nutcase, but with all due respect...who the **** are you to judge me? Who are you to decide "this" is moral and "that" is not? You spend your life tossing around esoteric theories that benefit no one (but certainly seem to stroke your own ego) and you have the gall to presume to tell half the citizens of this country they're "narrow-minded" and dumb? At least what I do can provide someone with a nutritious breakfast. Considering all the mental cases at DU, I'd say you psychologists aren't all that successful. You pride yourselves on being nonjudgmental yet you have no problem narrowly defining "good", "right", and "moral" and then deciding who does and doesn't get to march in your elitist hit parade.

Oh, and using 50 words to say something that could be said in 10 doesn't make you "smart", it just makes you a blow hard. For instance, I could say, "I would feel superb delectation if you would be so kind as to have intercourse with the fleshy part of your ego, you illegitimate rattus norvegicus". Or I could simply say, "Go **** yourself you rat bastard!"

Cindie

That's the thing about socialist(liberals). They take what may or may not be a good point (National Animal ID program-/per the -/mad cow disease/avian flu) and use it to get a toe hold into some aspect of your everyday life. Then like the "Big Bang" theory, they take that minute speck and explode it into a very large, ever expanding universe of new laws, rules and regulations(with more government jobs and bureacracy). Little by little they weasel their way into everything you do. Once they get an inch, they take a mile or more, never relinquishing an inch as they go. Creeping communism and the extinction of personal freedoms are their goals.
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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2008, 08:58:15 AM »
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fiziwig  (1000+ posts)      Wed Sep-10-08 01:37 PM
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What makes people vote Republican?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_c...e/haidt08/haidt08_index.h...

Outstandingly insightful article examining people's motivation for voting Republican. More important, it give Democrats a lot of good pointers on how to capture those very voters that it now alienates.

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What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies?

Just who the hell do you think you are deciding what is in MY economic best interest? YOU decide things like "universal health care", "taxing the rich", and yet another government program are in MY best interest and then excoriate ME for not buying into it? I may be a hick but I sure run my life better than some elitist ass who holds me and the way I live in contempt. Let me illustrate one of your newest "government programs" that has had a great impact on my life:

Like many rural folks, I've spent the last 5 or so years fighting against NAIS (National Animal ID program). This would've required me to document EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, provide paperwork to the US Government for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, pay licensing fees for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, and to track, log, and report the "movements" of EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm. That means if 3 of my hens have 10 chicks (I have a lot more than that every year), I have to license and pay a fee for each one of them. As a general rule, one loses a certain number of chicks each year. Those would have to be reported too (with a fee for processing, I'm sure). If I sold hens, chicks, or hatching eggs, that information would be the business of Uncle Sam. This would devastate small farmers like myself, the time lost and fees would make it impossible for me to continue to provide those "organic free range brown eggs" liberals think are healthier...it'd be factory chickens or nothing in many areas. Large farms and ranches (you know, like those owned by Hollywood elite who like to play cowboy between movies) would be able to obtain a single ID for large lots of animals.

And why? To keep us all safe, of course! To prevent disease and insure quality! Just another example of the government looking out for the welfare of the common man. I don't need some low-level Washington bureaucrat whose entire knowledge about farms consists of a field trip he took in second grade passing judgment on my farm. I exceed USDA standards for my eggs, meat, and heritage breeds. I do this not because I have to, but because I take pride in my work. I have the best quality control team in the country: my neighbors, because they're also my customers. Luckily (at least for now) we've managed to cool the government's jets and make the program "voluntary".

Now I know this work ethic and "independent" streak somehow makes me an uptight, religious nutcase, but with all due respect...who the **** are you to judge me? Who are you to decide "this" is moral and "that" is not? You spend your life tossing around esoteric theories that benefit no one (but certainly seem to stroke your own ego) and you have the gall to presume to tell half the citizens of this country they're "narrow-minded" and dumb? At least what I do can provide someone with a nutritious breakfast. Considering all the mental cases at DU, I'd say you psychologists aren't all that successful. You pride yourselves on being nonjudgmental yet you have no problem narrowly defining "good", "right", and "moral" and then deciding who does and doesn't get to march in your elitist hit parade.

Oh, and using 50 words to say something that could be said in 10 doesn't make you "smart", it just makes you a blow hard. For instance, I could say, "I would feel superb delectation if you would be so kind as to have intercourse with the fleshy part of your ego, you illegitimate rattus norvegicus". Or I could simply say, "Go **** yourself you rat bastard!"

Cindie

That's the thing about socialist(liberals). They take what may or may not be a good point (National Animal ID program-/per the -/mad cow disease/avian flu) and use it to get a toe hold into some aspect of your everyday life. Then like the "Big Bang" theory, they take that minute speck and explode it into a very large, ever expanding universe of new laws, rules and regulations(with more government jobs and bureacracy). Little by little they weasel their way into everything you do. Once they get an inch, they take a mile or more, never relinquishing an inch as they go. Creeping communism and the extinction of personal freedoms are their goals.

And when asked on DU if they would want to live that way, they freak out. Hypocrisy is the order of the day in the DUmp.
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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
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What makes people vote Republican?
http://www.edge.org/3rd_c...e/haidt08/haidt08_index.h...

Outstandingly insightful article examining people's motivation for voting Republican. More important, it give Democrats a lot of good pointers on how to capture those very voters that it now alienates.

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What makes people vote Republican? Why in particular do working class and rural Americans usually vote for pro-business Republicans when their economic interests would seem better served by Democratic policies?

Just who the hell do you think you are deciding what is in MY economic best interest? YOU decide things like "universal health care", "taxing the rich", and yet another government program are in MY best interest and then excoriate ME for not buying into it? I may be a hick but I sure run my life better than some elitist ass who holds me and the way I live in contempt. Let me illustrate one of your newest "government programs" that has had a great impact on my life:

Like many rural folks, I've spent the last 5 or so years fighting against NAIS (National Animal ID program). This would've required me to document EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, provide paperwork to the US Government for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, pay licensing fees for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, and to track, log, and report the "movements" of EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm. That means if 3 of my hens have 10 chicks (I have a lot more than that every year), I have to license and pay a fee for each one of them. As a general rule, one loses a certain number of chicks each year. Those would have to be reported too (with a fee for processing, I'm sure). If I sold hens, chicks, or hatching eggs, that information would be the business of Uncle Sam. This would devastate small farmers like myself, the time lost and fees would make it impossible for me to continue to provide those "organic free range brown eggs" liberals think are healthier...it'd be factory chickens or nothing in many areas. Large farms and ranches (you know, like those owned by Hollywood elite who like to play cowboy between movies) would be able to obtain a single ID for large lots of animals.

And why? To keep us all safe, of course! To prevent disease and insure quality! Just another example of the government looking out for the welfare of the common man. I don't need some low-level Washington bureaucrat whose entire knowledge about farms consists of a field trip he took in second grade passing judgment on my farm. I exceed USDA standards for my eggs, meat, and heritage breeds. I do this not because I have to, but because I take pride in my work. I have the best quality control team in the country: my neighbors, because they're also my customers. Luckily (at least for now) we've managed to cool the government's jets and make the program "voluntary".

Now I know this work ethic and "independent" streak somehow makes me an uptight, religious nutcase, but with all due respect...who the **** are you to judge me? Who are you to decide "this" is moral and "that" is not? You spend your life tossing around esoteric theories that benefit no one (but certainly seem to stroke your own ego) and you have the gall to presume to tell half the citizens of this country they're "narrow-minded" and dumb? At least what I do can provide someone with a nutritious breakfast. Considering all the mental cases at DU, I'd say you psychologists aren't all that successful. You pride yourselves on being nonjudgmental yet you have no problem narrowly defining "good", "right", and "moral" and then deciding who does and doesn't get to march in your elitist hit parade.

Oh, and using 50 words to say something that could be said in 10 doesn't make you "smart", it just makes you a blow hard. For instance, I could say, "I would feel superb delectation if you would be so kind as to have intercourse with the fleshy part of your ego, you illegitimate rattus norvegicus". Or I could simply say, "Go **** yourself you rat bastard!"

Cindie

You need to quit holding back and tell them how you really feel.

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Re: What makes people vote Republican? (DUmbass stupidity)
« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2008, 09:11:20 AM »
Just who the hell do you think you are deciding what is in MY economic best interest? YOU decide things like "universal health care", "taxing the rich", and yet another government program are in MY best interest and then excoriate ME for not buying into it? I may be a hick but I sure run my life better than some elitist ass who holds me and the way I live in contempt. Let me illustrate one of your newest "government programs" that has had a great impact on my life:

Like many rural folks, I've spent the last 5 or so years fighting against NAIS (National Animal ID program). This would've required me to document EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, provide paperwork to the US Government for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, pay licensing fees for EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm, and to track, log, and report the "movements" of EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL on my farm. That means if 3 of my hens have 10 chicks (I have a lot more than that every year), I have to license and pay a fee for each one of them. As a general rule, one loses a certain number of chicks each year. Those would have to be reported too (with a fee for processing, I'm sure). If I sold hens, chicks, or hatching eggs, that information would be the business of Uncle Sam. This would devastate small farmers like myself, the time lost and fees would make it impossible for me to continue to provide those "organic free range brown eggs" liberals think are healthier...it'd be factory chickens or nothing in many areas. Large farms and ranches (you know, like those owned by Hollywood elite who like to play cowboy between movies) would be able to obtain a single ID for large lots of animals.

And why? To keep us all safe, of course! To prevent disease and insure quality! Just another example of the government looking out for the welfare of the common man. I don't need some low-level Washington bureaucrat whose entire knowledge about farms consists of a field trip he took in second grade passing judgment on my farm. I exceed USDA standards for my eggs, meat, and heritage breeds. I do this not because I have to, but because I take pride in my work. I have the best quality control team in the country: my neighbors, because they're also my customers. Luckily (at least for now) we've managed to cool the government's jets and make the program "voluntary".

Now I know this work ethic and "independent" streak somehow makes me an uptight, religious nutcase, but with all due respect...who the **** are you to judge me? Who are you to decide "this" is moral and "that" is not? You spend your life tossing around esoteric theories that benefit no one (but certainly seem to stroke your own ego) and you have the gall to presume to tell half the citizens of this country they're "narrow-minded" and dumb? At least what I do can provide someone with a nutritious breakfast. Considering all the mental cases at DU, I'd say you psychologists aren't all that successful. You pride yourselves on being nonjudgmental yet you have no problem narrowly defining "good", "right", and "moral" and then deciding who does and doesn't get to march in your elitist hit parade.

Oh, and using 50 words to say something that could be said in 10 doesn't make you "smart", it just makes you a blow hard. For instance, I could say, "I would feel superb delectation if you would be so kind as to have intercourse with the fleshy part of your ego, you illegitimate rattus norvegicus". Or I could simply say, "Go **** yourself you rat bastard!"

Cindie

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