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everything is swift boating. :whatever:  before that, everything was willie horton. 

psssst.  Barack.  did you really, REALLY want to call it "cat nip"? :-)

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Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’

Barack Obama responded Wednesday to the John McCain campaign’s call for an apology concerning his “lipstick on a pig” remarks, by calling the controversy “phony and foolish” and defending it as an “innocent remark” that was taken out of context.

Obama said his comment was meant to compare the policies of McCain to those of President Bush, and was in no way a reference to Republican vice presidential Sarah Palin.

Obama accused the McCain campaign of “lies and phony outrage” and “Swift-boat politics.” He said the “made-up controversy” was “cat nip for the news media.”

The Illinois senator used the pig analogy at a campaign event in Lebanon, Va., on Tuesday while describing his Republican opponents.

“John McCain says he’s about change, too, and so I guess his whole angle is, ‘Watch out George Bush.’ Except for economic policy, health care policy, tax policy, education policy, foreign policy and Karl Rove-style politics … That’s not change. That’s just calling something the same thing, something different,” Obama said.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2008, 10:50:12 AM »
Ruh ro, They really made him mad now.  :tongue:

He's going to really start making mistakes now.   This whole election has gone off script now and he doesn't know what to do.

He's even attacking the media, which cannot be a good strategy for him.  It works for the republicans because the media hates them anyway, but it is not a good strategy for Obama.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2008, 11:07:37 AM »
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psssst.  Barack.  did you really, REALLY want to call it "cat nip"?












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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2008, 11:11:48 AM »
I think the gaffe was more-or-less unintentional but his failure to come to grips with the way real voters took it on both sides, and then take the prompt and diplomatic "I misspoke" apology route is turning a minor pothole into a deep and ugly pit.
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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2008, 11:13:25 AM »
Ruh ro, They really made him mad now.  :tongue:

He's going to really start making mistakes now.   This whole election has gone off script now and he doesn't know what to do.

He's even attacking the media, which cannot be a good strategy for him.  It works for the republicans because the media hates them anyway, but it is not a good strategy for Obama.

he only thought he was in a fight with hillary.  she couldn't attack him from the right, because that would just lose her votes among the moonbats that control the dem primaries, so all she was really left with was the argument that his health care plan wasn't as socialistic as hers was.

he really hasn't had to defend himself during those 19 months of campaigning that he now calls "qualifications for the office of the presidency". :whatever:  and so this is all a new experience to his far flung campaign apparatus, and obviously very confusing to them.


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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2008, 11:20:16 AM »
I think the gaffe was more-or-less unintentional but his failure to come to grips with the way real voters took it on both sides, and then take the prompt and diplomatic "I misspoke" apology route is turning a minor pothole into a deep and ugly pit.

the close proximity in time of the two lipstick remarks made the comparison to Sarah inevitable.  he shoulda been smarter than that, unless he was trying to be clever and take an underhanded swipe at her. 

and he can't take the "I misspoke" apology escape hatch, because one of his bigger problems is that he is simply incapable of admitting that he is wrong.  ever.  "I misspoke" would have been the smart way out of his "I will meet with the heads of state sponsors of terrorism" gaffe that he made in one of the debates, but instead of just admitting his blunder, he turned it into foreign policy doctrine.  and THAT is not being able to admit that you are wrong in a big, big way.






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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 11:26:39 AM »
I think the gaffe was more-or-less unintentional but his failure to come to grips with the way real voters took it on both sides, and then take the prompt and diplomatic "I misspoke" apology route is turning a minor pothole into a deep and ugly pit.

the close proximity in time of the two lipstick remarks made the comparison to Sarah inevitable.  he shoulda been smarter than that, unless he was trying to be clever and take an underhanded swipe at her. 

and he can't take the "I misspoke" apology escape hatch, because one of his bigger problems is that he is simply incapable of admitting that he is wrong.  ever.  "I misspoke" would have been the smart way out of his "I will meet with the heads of state sponsors of terrorism" gaffe that he made in one of the debates, but instead of just admitting his blunder, he turned it into foreign policy doctrine.  and THAT is not being able to admit that you are wrong in a big, big way.







His inability to ever admit mistakes is his Achille's heel. He just juts that jaw out and looks like he's so conceited that he'd drown in a rain storm.

His ego definitely gets in his way, a lot. Most politicians are ego-maniacs, and he's one of the worst I've seen. How ironic that he has as his VP candidate the guy who mentioned that he's clean, etc. I wonder how those 2 really get along.

McCain and Palin seem to genuinely like each other. I don't get those vibes from Joe and the Annointed One.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 11:46:18 AM »
I think the gaffe was more-or-less unintentional but his failure to come to grips with the way real voters took it on both sides, and then take the prompt and diplomatic "I misspoke" apology route is turning a minor pothole into a deep and ugly pit.

the close proximity in time of the two lipstick remarks made the comparison to Sarah inevitable.  he shoulda been smarter than that, unless he was trying to be clever and take an underhanded swipe at her. 

and he can't take the "I misspoke" apology escape hatch, because one of his bigger problems is that he is simply incapable of admitting that he is wrong.  ever.  "I misspoke" would have been the smart way out of his "I will meet with the heads of state sponsors of terrorism" gaffe that he made in one of the debates, but instead of just admitting his blunder, he turned it into foreign policy doctrine.  and THAT is not being able to admit that you are wrong in a big, big way.



His inability to ever admit mistakes is his Achille's heel. He just juts that jaw out and looks like he's so conceited that he'd drown in a rain storm.

His ego definitely gets in his way, a lot. Most politicians are ego-maniacs, and he's one of the worst I've seen. How ironic that he has as his VP candidate the guy who mentioned that he's clean, etc. I wonder how those 2 really get along.

McCain and Palin seem to genuinely like each other. I don't get those vibes from Joe and the Annointed One.

picking biden may have been a safe play, but it really blew the stuffing out of the central premise of his campaign, that everything about washington was broken, and only he, as a washington outsider, could fix it.  he picked (probably) the only guy on the planet that has served longer in washington than john mccain has . . . all of the sudden, his own ticket looks like part of the problem that he defined himself.





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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2008, 12:36:42 PM »
I think the gaffe was more-or-less unintentional but his failure to come to grips with the way real voters took it on both sides, and then take the prompt and diplomatic "I misspoke" apology route is turning a minor pothole into a deep and ugly pit.

the close proximity in time of the two lipstick remarks made the comparison to Sarah inevitable.  he shoulda been smarter than that, unless he was trying to be clever and take an underhanded swipe at her. 

and he can't take the "I misspoke" apology escape hatch, because one of his bigger problems is that he is simply incapable of admitting that he is wrong.  ever.  "I misspoke" would have been the smart way out of his "I will meet with the heads of state sponsors of terrorism" gaffe that he made in one of the debates, but instead of just admitting his blunder, he turned it into foreign policy doctrine.  and THAT is not being able to admit that you are wrong in a big, big way.


Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just talking about what he SHOULD have done as an astute politician.  I did not mean to imply that I thought he had the ability to back off from his MSM-fueled ego ride and actually DO it.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2008, 12:44:20 PM »
I think the gaffe was more-or-less unintentional but his failure to come to grips with the way real voters took it on both sides, and then take the prompt and diplomatic "I misspoke" apology route is turning a minor pothole into a deep and ugly pit.

the close proximity in time of the two lipstick remarks made the comparison to Sarah inevitable.  he shoulda been smarter than that, unless he was trying to be clever and take an underhanded swipe at her. 

and he can't take the "I misspoke" apology escape hatch, because one of his bigger problems is that he is simply incapable of admitting that he is wrong.  ever.  "I misspoke" would have been the smart way out of his "I will meet with the heads of state sponsors of terrorism" gaffe that he made in one of the debates, but instead of just admitting his blunder, he turned it into foreign policy doctrine.  and THAT is not being able to admit that you are wrong in a big, big way.


Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just talking about what he SHOULD have done as an astute politician.  I did not mean to imply that I thought he had the ability to back off from his MSM-fueled ego ride and actually DO it.

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I understood you. :wink:   I'm not sure it was deliberate, either, but he should have known better.  that was my main point.


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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2008, 12:49:50 PM »
"Swift Boat" = "telling the truth about someone's past when the person in question lies about same."

Someone on the Right should point this out.
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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2008, 04:07:33 PM »
As long as Captain Cool comes unglued and stays that way, we win.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2008, 04:12:32 PM »
The only reason that Obama used the Lipstick on the Pig comment was becasue of Palin's joke. He tried to defeat that by using the old anology. It was a stupid idea and he is getting burned by it.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2008, 04:16:51 PM »
As long as Captain Cool comes unglued and stays that way, we win.

"ENOUGH" the annointed one says.

"F YOU" the real world says.
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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2008, 05:17:16 PM »
Maybe he should take his own advice and stop trying to link McCain to another 4 years of Bush when they are clearly different people with different ideas.  Sarah Palin's addition to the ticket only furthers the argument that the real agent of change this year is the Republican ticket.

Barrack looked in the past with his Biden appointment
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McCain looked to the future with the Sarah pick.

 Also, I noticed changes in the behavior of the 2 moonbats I work with.
 One won't even make eye contact with me...the other is a ravaged monster who is losing sleep.  He kept chanting..."she IS a pig...you republicans are evil".  My response...hey, scream it louder...let everyone hear this!!.... :lmao:

They are unraveling...quickly.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2008, 06:36:54 PM »
"Swift Boat Politics" ? Would anyone other than the moonbat wing actually think that means anything ? Seroiusly - Would that resonate w/"Joe Voter" ? I don't think so.

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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2008, 08:31:08 PM »
The only reason that Obama used the Lipstick on the Pig comment was becasue of Palin's joke. He tried to defeat that by using the old anology. It was a stupid idea and he is getting burned by it.

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it has totally knocked him off his message for two days.  and his anger at the mccain campaign because of his political gaffe certainly didn't help matters.  it was just odd. 


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Re: Obama Accuses McCain Campaign of ‘Swift Boat Politics’
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2008, 08:33:34 PM »
Maybe he should take his own advice and stop trying to link McCain to another 4 years of Bush when they are clearly different people with different ideas.  Sarah Palin's addition to the ticket only furthers the argument that the real agent of change this year is the Republican ticket.

Barrack looked in the past with his Biden appointment
and
McCain looked to the future with the Sarah pick.

 Also, I noticed changes in the behavior of the 2 moonbats I work with.
 One won't even make eye contact with me...the other is a ravaged monster who is losing sleep.  He kept chanting..."she IS a pig...you republicans are evil".  My response...hey, scream it louder...let everyone hear this!!.... :lmao:

They are unraveling...quickly.

they probably expected mccain to make the conventional choice (romney, quite likely), and tried to anticipate mccain's choice with a "safe choice" of their own.  when mccain did the unexpected, and went with an outsider, it totally scrambled their egg.

they may have "out-clevered" themselves on this one.