verdict expected to be harsh for the primitives

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3961974

Oh my.

The original post is simply a copy-and-paste from some obscure newspaper.

mr blur  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:49 AM
Original message

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
   
<snip>

If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.

Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.

And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".

Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."

Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/use...

So now another good reason to vote for the Big Zero: so we won't hurt the rest of the world's feelings.

Wow.  The Obamaite primitives come up with all sorts of really good reasons.

The LynnTheDUmb primitive:

LynnTheDem  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:52 AM
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1. We're going to be in for a world of hurt, should Americans truly be stupid enough to vote in a police-state theocracy.

On the silver lining side, a few years of even-worse-than-bUsh would be the end of the republic party for generations to come.

hawkowl88  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:56 AM
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2. No it wouldn't
   
I envision the US becoming very similar to Spain under General Franco---for FORTY YEARS. Make no mistake. This is the most important election ever in US history.

provis99  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 04:04 AM
Response to Reply #2

12. no, worse than Franco
   
At least Franco didn't attack other countries.

And then the Zbigniew primitive:

nadinbrzezinski  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 03:00 AM
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3. Can you say the end of the country as you know it?
   
it would be the kind of disaster that kills empires and sends them into open civil war

That said, even Europeans see it clearly... the coup is on the way

cliffordu  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 03:08 AM
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6. RE: revolution.....
   
Blackwater has had 125,000 ( or more) trained "operatives" in Iraq for a couple years now....

Apparently they've been helping out with drug busts in LA lately... (lost my link to that...)

If revolution is threatened, they are a phone call away.

They are expert at urban, house to house murder.

The Zbigniew primitive again:

nadinbrzezinski  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 03:11 AM
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7. Yes, but here is where things get ugly no matter how many of those guys you have... if even half the population rise up... they'll find a better contract

This is the reality about mercs... they are loyal to the money, not nation

I am aware of the pain they could cause... many are vets of south american wars and death squads... but even they were defeated in the end... after decades

Now, the tidy andy primitive:

AndyTiedye  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 04:03 AM
Response to Reply #1

11. If We Can't Win This Time, Under What Conceivable Circumstances Could We EVER Win?

orleans  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 03:05 AM
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5. thanks for posting this. so true: (from your link)   
   
"Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."

samuraiguppy  Donating Member  (290 posts) Wed Sep-10-08 03:43 AM
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8. it would be cool if we could have a world-wide election. Democrats would win every time.

The loutish Brit primitive comments, but not being eligible to vote for the president of the United States, the loutish Brit primitive's opinion on the matter is irrelevant, meaningless, unimportant, not worth repeating here.

Selatius  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 03:52 AM
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10. I can't help but feel that McCain stands a serious chance of gaining the White House in 2009.
   
In a functioning democracy with a free press and an informed citizenry, McCain would be swept away.

[Carl]

It sounds as if they are conceeding.

Btw lurking Euro DUmmies......your wish for the end of American greatness will soon be followed by the end of European freedom and independence.
You can`t and won`t protect and defend yourself.
I know you hate yourselves for that so chew on it.

[Lord Undies]

Since the "rest of the world" (Europeans) aren't standing on their hind legs screaming for the United States to stay as far away from socialism as possible, I'll have to assume they are too stupid to have an opinion which matters.  It is certainly in their best interest to see the USA not become a second-rate socialist state, like their countries, because a strong USA is the only way they have been free to buy into socialism.

The US taxpayer has subsidized Europe's defense since at least WWII.  This has freed them to spend their money on the ridiculous socialism that is destroying their nations.  If the USA was to join them in their socialistic madness, who the heck will be subsidizing their defense?

Europeans need to think twice.  Or maybe start thinking for the first time.

[FlaGator]

hawkowl88  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:56 AM
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2. No it wouldn't
   
I envision the US becoming very similar to Spain under General Franco---for FORTY YEARS. Make no mistake. This is the most important election ever in US history.

It's even more important than the last most important election ever in US history, but not quite as important as the following most important election ever in US history.

[JohnnyReb]

I will not turn my back on the world. This November I plan to look'em squarely in the eye and give them the finger.

[Chris_]

I will not turn my back on the world. This November I plan to look'em squarely in the eye and give them the finger.

My feelings exactly.

It is clearly time for the eurotrash to start protecting themselves -- let's close the bases and withdraw from NATO.  See if their socialism can survive when they have to pay for all of it.

[jinxmchue]

LynnTheDem  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:52 AM
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1. We're going to be in for a world of hurt, should Americans truly be stupid enough to vote in a police-state theocracy.

I'm still waiting for the "police-state theocracy" that Pastor-President George W. Chimpymcbushhitlerhaliburtonpretzelboyking was supposed to bring about.

[Splashdown]

Love these apocalyptic threads. They're better, even, than the impeachment ones!

[DumbAss Tanker]

If the Leftist traitor scum want to take up arms in revolt, there will be absolutely no need for the Government to spend a dime on Blackwater, trust me.

 

[claret1995]

mr blur  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:49 AM
Original message

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
   
<snip>

If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.

Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.

And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".





 This thinking is imbedded now into the mindset of the left.....Obama loses it is RACISM

Consider this ,they may be correct for once because ,if true, the racism will come froim their own party and left leaning independants.Most of the right and right leaning indies will not vote democrat no matter gender,race,or any other reason, Hey that is not racism. So what is left to vote for the godly one. Ergo who is left to NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE OF RACE

 HEY DUMMIES STICK THAT IN YOUR CRACKPIPES

[Splashdown]

And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....even if your ridiculous premise were true, other countries never....ever.... have any racial problems...

[GOBUCKS]

We are steadily closing the gap in India. Winning India and its 1324 electoral votes would be a big boost.

To paraphrase Giuliani, the Obamessiah's international support is so...so..cosmopolitan.

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for

I hope this doesn't mean they will reject our foreign aid.

[delilahmused]

Well I think it's just because the eurotrash feels ignored by McCain. After all he hasn't campaigned there like the Barak-citizen-of-the-world-Star. Like the DUmmies they get their panties in a wad if they don't get their overblown egos stroked often enough. Americans by and large are a fiercely independent lot and when you tell them they have to care about "what would Europe do" they'll do the exact opposite.

Cindie

[Chris_]

If the Leftist traitor scum want to take up arms in revolt, there will be absolutely no need for the Government to spend a dime on Blackwater, trust me.

 :hammer:

That will certainly result in the History of the World Part I definition of "revolting."

[DumbAss Tanker]

If the Leftist traitor scum want to take up arms in revolt, there will be absolutely no need for the Government to spend a dime on Blackwater, trust me.

 

That will certainly result in the History of the World Part I definition of "revolting."

Briefly, yes.

[USA4ME]

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[Chris_]

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So stolen.

[Lauri]

LynnTheDem  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:52 AM
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1. We're going to be in for a world of hurt, should Americans truly be stupid enough to vote in a police-state theocracy.

I'm still waiting for the "police-state theocracy" that Pastor-President George W. Chimpymcbushhitlerhaliburtonpretzelboyking was supposed to bring about.

i thought we were already knee deep in it.. 

[USA4ME]

So stolen.

Use it.  I found it at townhall.com

http://penetratinginsights.blogtownhall.com/2008/09/09/obamas_electoral_map.thtml

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[Toastedturningtidelegs]

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for

Yearn for? God that's gay! Hey fellas when was the last time you "yearned for" another man?

[Chris_]

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for

Yearn for? God that's gay! Hey fellas when was the last time you "yearned for" another man?

Well, there was this one time, at band camp...

[Willow]

And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".

Someone name me one, just one, President, Prime minister, Chancellor, Queen, King or any other black head of state in Europe! Australia? Canada?
So "international opinion" can conclude whatever they wish now can't they?

[MrsSmith]

Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth

OK, maybe it's just me, but pro-abortion/pro-life isn't trivial.  Right-to-life after birth...not trivial.  Let the people suffer until alternative energy becomes affordable...not trivial.  Universal rationed healthcare...not trivial.  (I don't think most of us would enjoy being told that cancer drugs are too expensive, but assisted suicide is covered.)  

Being told that voting against Obama is racist while the media treat Palin like, um, a pig...not trivial.

The UK lefties can go...

[Chris_]

LynnTheDem  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Wed Sep-10-08 02:52 AM
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1. We're going to be in for a world of hurt, should Americans truly be stupid enough to vote in a police-state theocracy.

I'm still waiting for the "police-state theocracy" that Pastor-President George W. Chimpymcbushhitlerhaliburtonpretzelboyking was supposed to bring about.

i thought we were already knee deep in it..  :popcorn:

You don't have a window?  You should see the Chimpymcbushhitlerhaliburtonpretzelboyking brigade out front.

Here is a pic:

[dandi]

The "rest of the world" always hates us until we have something they want, then they "boom-boom me love you long time" until they get it, and then they go back to hating us. They're much like whores in that respect.