Does it feel like most Americans are ignoring the insane rise of fascism?

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Marius25 (1,801 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217789921

Does it feel like most Americans are ignoring the insane rise of fascism?

Trans bans, abortion bans, prosecuting women for miscarriages, book bans, eliminating school curriculum to protect white supremacists, the arrest of peaceful protesters in red states, the expelling of elected officials from state Houses for peaceful protest, the punishment of businesses for free speech, 40% of the country worshipping a criminal demagogue, mass shootings every day with no end in sight, the erosion of Democracy everywhere, the insanely corrupt Supreme Court, Texas talking about legalizing murder squads, etc.

As a Jew, I can tell you this is all how Nazi Germany started in its rise to power.

That's not hyperbole.

And yet I feel like most Americans, while they may disapprove of what's going on, are really oblivious to how bad things are. The fact that Republicans retook the House is a testament to that.

I just don't see how the US recovers from this. As a Jew, I desperately want to flee the country, because I know what happens to people like me when countries reach this point. But I don't have the means to do so.

 

Just A Box Of Rain (4,322 posts)

1. Yes. And it is a bad idea to ignore the rise of fascist populism.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Marcus IM (779 posts)

30. When I visit my family in Cuba, they have all of the things the US is missing.

No gun murders.

Yet, I often see Cuba being referred to as a 3rd world country.

No way.

Cubans have things that many Americans - especially lower income brackets - would give their "left one" for.

Things are relative, I suppose.

Cuba was my home. Much of my family lives there. When they visit me in Florida and they watch the news they can hardly wait to get back home where they feel safe.

I certainly don't consider Cuba to be 3rd world. In fact, it is much more socially developed than America in so many ways.

There are shortages, but, Cubans know why.

Cheers

 

mobeau69 (10,004 posts)

5. Don't know that they're ignoring it as much as not recognizing it.

Through action, and inaction, the gop has severely damaged our country and I’m not sure it can be reversed. 2024 will tell the tale.

 

Star Member Skittles (148,737 posts)

6. YES

because they choose to be ****ING CLUELESS

I've said this many times recently, I have always wondered how something like the Holocaust could have happened but now I see the creeping acceptance and approval of hatred and bigotry towards, you know, CERTAIN GROUPS OF PEOPLE and I realize, I am seeing with own eyes how fascism comes about

WarGamer (8,316 posts)

14. "fascism" is the most overused and misunderstood phrase of the last decade.

One of the world's experts of Fascism... Professor Kimber Quinney has asked people to separate what she calls "Capital F" Fascism which is the Italian phenomenon of the early 20th Century and what was perceived far BEFORE Mussolini and what extends into today.

This "small f" fascism can be more accurately characterized as Authoritarianism.

Trump and Co? Authoritarians.

Star Member bamagal62 (2,649 posts)

21. Most Americans are too

Stupid to know what fascism is.

Star Member ancianita (31,059 posts)

28. No. But media would love for you to feel the fear of that possibility so you'll keep

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watching for what's next in their hyped slow roll train wreck of disconnected cars.

81 million didn't let fascism rise the last time. They're all still here.

Moreover, consider the rest of the busy, tired, trying to make a living kind of Americans, and you'll see that by the numbers, 77% of America did NOT vote GOP.

It's a basic numbers map that shows the reality of "consent of the governed." And so, while only something like over 60% of the adult electorate voted, the rest of us, except for about 23% of the whole country -- not just the electorate that won -- have been okay with that decision.

Those millions not engaged in politics, due to life stresses or lack of personal capacity (undocumenteds and minors), just need to get by in some kind of mind-my-own-business peace, don't want to think about what the other group would do, and they only have to expose themselves to just enough news to get the picture. And that is why, right now, they are so sick of seeing innocence dying, and being told how to live because of pro-gun, pro-power punitive Republican leaders, that even the non-voters are protesting. And what do the pro-gun folks say to deflect? that the other side is the hateful, killing side. Kids can see what's wrong because they've got their very lives and futures to lose.

We've tried to tell the unengaged that if they don't want to deal with politics, politics will come for them. And now the little children lead them. Because it's not enough to just trust. That's why there are those who guard the perimeters, enforce rule of law, so children can have childhoods, and a just peace, instead of an unjust peace.

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moniss (1,344 posts)

35. I agree completely and

I will add to that another chilling scenario. There is a huge portion of the current younger population that has no concept of the reality of how things really were for people in the '50's and '60's. I have spoken to many people in their 20's who really express disbelief about lynchings, segregation, Vietnam, censorship restrictions on subject matter on TV, Chicago 1968, super restrictive rules in high schools, severe prison penalties for simple possession of pot and the list goes on.

It is similar to the desire of the fascists in the US political environment to restrict teaching/access to knowledge about the history of slavery, racism etc. But of course the media is generally too stupid/complicit to point out to people that this is being done for the same reason as Holocaust denialism. Nobody in the media, and largely in government so far, is willing to state what we know to be the obvious. The same fascists responsible for the current atmosphere of book banning will aggressively go after books/teaching about the Holocaust.

So we already have a very large portion of the country primed to disbelieve the horrors of social injustice, oppression etc. The redefinition of people as "other" is already well underway as we see in the fight for LGBTQ+ rights. Notice that several politicians have recently spoken about "containing" that segment of our society or even "eliminating" them. The dehumanizing of them is cheered on by the likes of Tucker Carlson calling them the "enemy" of Christians.

Yes the world has been here before. Like you I see it coming around again. Orchestrated and happening. Just like before.

Meowmee (4,985 posts)

36. Yes agree

Completely. We are going to leave at some point. There are other reasons why too. I hope you can get away from here. I never thought I would see here what is going down but I always feared it. My health is starting to fail more from all of it. Who knows if I will make it out alive.

Star Member DFW (50,645 posts)

41. I think at this point, it seems like a battle to keep from going over the edge of the abyss

A third of the country wants to, a third of the country is dead set on preventing it, and a third seems to not understand what all the fuss is about.

This means that about two thirds of the country went to school for however many years, and learned nothing.

Star Member Roisin Ni Fiachra (2,493 posts)

48. Historically, those of us who have been calling them fascists, and warning people

about fascism, have been chastised by moderates for calling the fascists exactly what they are, and for telling the truth about fascists and fascism. We aren't left wing extremists, and we never were. We are realists, and we always were.

Don't say the "F word" (when referring to Republicans as fascists) has been like some unwritten rule among the moderate Democratic establishment. There are still many who can't bring themselves to call a fascists a fascist.

It's time for all Democrats to emancipate their minds from the fear and mental slavery largely brought about by fascist hate radio, fascist influencers, and fascist Fox News. They are all fascist liars.

Everyone, say it with me: "fascists! Republicans are fascists. Fascists, fascists, fascists fascists, fascists! Stinking fascists.

Feels good, doesn't it? Now let's go out and save our country from fascists, and fascism.

Thank you for this OP, Marius25.

 

[SVPete]

Most Americans do not live in Marius25's Bong-iverse.

[enslaved1]

Marius25 (1,801 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217789921

Does it feel like most Americans are ignoring the insane rise of fascism?

The ones ignoring it are the leftist nutjobs and proggies who are not admitting their agenda is fascism. 

[67 Rover]

Which side is destroying historical statues and eliminating flags from being displayed? 

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I said in another thread that the DUrps have sub-zero self-awareness. It’s not surprising to see they equally lack a sense of irony. Disarming the population, criminalizing speech, working with companies to suppress speech, rigged trials, secret trials, media acting as a propaganda tool, controlling the economy… do I need to go on?

[RuralNc]

So... once again, like always, a lefty who wants to whine and complain about how awful it is here, while praising places like Cuba.

Lurking morons of the DUmp, feel free to move there. Please do report back how you like it.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

So... once again, like always, a lefty who wants to whine and complain about how awful it is here, while praising places like Cuba.

Lurking morons of the DUmp, feel free to move there. Please do report back how you like it.

Ya know, I'm surprised more DUmmies don't have gofundme's to raise the cash necessary to make that move.

Rest assured, I'd contribute PROVIDED the DUmmie give up U.S. Passport AND citizenship and promises to never come back.

With those caveats, I doubt any DUmmie would take me up on it..

[Ralph Wiggum]

Define fascism. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

If that doesn't hurt your infantile brain too much, identify how many genders there are. Hint: You'll only need two fat fingers to arrive at the correct answer.

Idiots.

[Old n Grumpy]

[Marius25 (1,801 posts)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217789921

Does it feel like most Americans are ignoring the insane rise of fascism?

Trans bans, abortion bans, prosecuting women for miscarriages, book bans, eliminating school curriculum to protect white supremacists, the arrest of peaceful protesters in red states, the expelling of elected officials from state Houses for peaceful protest, the punishment of businesses for free speech, 40% of the country worshipping a criminal demagogue, mass shootings every day with no end in sight, the erosion of Democracy everywhere, the insanely corrupt Supreme Court, Texas talking about legalizing murder squads, etc.

As a Jew, I can tell you this is all how Nazi Germany started in its rise to power.

That's not hyperbole.

And yet I feel like most Americans, while they may disapprove of what's going on, are really oblivious to how bad things are. The fact that Republicans retook the House is a testament to that.

I just don't see how the US recovers from this. As a Jew, I desperately want to flee the country, because I know what happens to people like me when countries reach this point. But I don't have the means to do so.
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This guy is nuts after you eliminate the lies the rest is what the left is doing

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Speaking of corrupt courts, there's this possible gem:

The daughter of the judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s case worked on the Biden-Harris campaign, according to a report as well as an online search.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/04/report-daughter-of-judge-overseeing-donald-trumps-case-worked-on-biden-harris-campaign/

[DefiantSix]

Speaking of corrupt courts, there's this possible gem:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/04/04/report-daughter-of-judge-overseeing-donald-trumps-case-worked-on-biden-harris-campaign/

In the judge's defense, it would be nigh impossible to find anybody who wasn't a Kool-Aid drinking leftist loon still in NYC.

Just sayin'...