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Offline CC27

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As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« on: February 21, 2023, 08:31:24 AM »
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As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be Pro Putin

One eight of Americans are fully inclined to fall into that camp even if Trump never existed, or were he to disappear tomorrow. But the fact that Trump has an established cult of personality around him, that he is a former POTUS, and that he is a favorite to win many if not most Republican presidential primaries, means he will personally galvanize opposition to American support of Ukraine while on the campaign trail, thus strengthening Putin's hand. I am sure Putin keeps that in his calculations, and Putin will hold out hope that America's will to oppose his imperialist expansion will falter as long as Trump is a serious contender for President, with a chance to actually regain that office.

Most American's reflexively are inclined to root for the underdog, for the little guy against the big bullies of the world. It is in our national character to cheer on people fighting against the odds for their freedom and survival. That isn't an absolute, but it is a real tendency. The Ukrainian people for so many reasons (not least of which the fact that they are white Europeans), are intrinsically sympathetic to most Americans. Cultural affinities make most Americans much more likely to identify with Ukrainians than they did with the people of Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. And unlike in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, Americans are not themselves fighting and dying in Ukraine, which makes a huge difference in regards to our staying power there.

The war in Ukraine, in the political sphere, will become a wedge issue. Americans will tend to polarize around it further the longer that the war continues. A large percentage of Americans will fall in behind Trump as "America First" Putin apologists, but I call it a wedge issue because the cleavage of opinion on it will not be closely divided. A clear majority of Americans can and must be rallied behind our continued support for Ukraine, for all of the factual and emotional reasons that we can muster, and there are many.

Both Biden's values and political instincts are spot on correct about Ukraine. This is a hill we choose to fight on, that gives us the upper hand and the moral high ground. Support for Ukraine is a banner we can proudly carry into the 2024 elections.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217666886

Cult of personality? Look in the mirror DUmmie...
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2023, 08:41:20 AM »
Putin and russia have a right to exist. As much right as any other nation on earth.

Putin didn't invade ukraine under Trumps watch, he invaded under bidens watch. He did so after some very calculated prodding in that direction by the west, too.

I'll note here, for the lurking DUmmies, that in russia men are still men and women are still women. They haven't allowed themselves to become weak enough to be confused and unable to define 'woman', like so many of us have, right on up the chain all the way to the newest diversity hire scotus pick of bidens.

I suppose saying so makes me pro-putin?
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2023, 09:33:21 AM »
Ukraine is no better than Russia.  Both are corrupt kleptocracies.

As for Trump being connected to Putin, Trump is a multi-billionaire, beholden to no one.  He made life VERY difficult for Putin when the former was POTUS.  Putin heaved a big sigh of relief when the Pedo was elected.
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2023, 09:51:12 AM »
Not that DUmmies or leftists will answer my query, but could you name someone who is outright pro-Putin and provide examples? Just because many of us are tired of funneling billions to "The" Ukraine without an exit strategy doesn't mean we are rooting for Vladimir Poo-teen.  He's a communist dictator and dangerous, and track suit Ukraine boy is corrupt up to his turtle necks.

I'll be curious to see how he left reacts when China starts materially supporting Russia while simultaneously taking over Taiwan. Because the Dems love China and North Korea and are trying to emulate their tactics.
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2023, 10:02:04 AM »
Let's look at some empirical evidence shall we DUchebag DUmbasses:

Obama-democrat: Putin takes Crimea and Georgia.
Trump-republican: Putin does not do shit.
Biden-democrat: Putin invades Ukraine.

Looks like the bad things happen under democrat gay black and senile pedophile DEMOCRAT preezies and not under MAGA President Trump. I look forward to your insanely ridiculous counter argume... rants.
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2023, 12:09:29 PM »
Slightly off topic, anyone else hear Bidens Ukraine Speech today?

God help us, hes going to get us into WWIII.
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2023, 02:38:08 PM »
Quote from: jukin on February 21, 2023, 10:02:04 AM
Let's look at some empirical evidence shall we DUchebag DUmbasses:

Obama-democrat: Putin takes Crimea and Georgia.
Trump-republican: Putin does not do shit.
Biden-democrat: Putin invades Ukraine.

Looks like the bad things happen under democrat gay black and senile pedophile DEMOCRAT preezies and not under MAGA President Trump. I look forward to your insanely ridiculous counter argume... rants.

No use in pointing this out to dems. They'll only argue that Putin not invading Ukraine was Trump giving him what he wanted. To make that make sense in one's mind requires an intellectual aerial cartwheel, but no matter. Such feats of mental gymnastics are routine for leftists.
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2023, 03:26:11 PM »
And let’s not forget it was hunter Biden who took 10 million bucks from the mayor of moscow

Trumps only connection to Russia is the phony dossier Hilary and her corrupt machine planted to the feds  :thatsright: :loser: :loser: :loser:
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2023, 07:32:51 AM »
Quote from: Old n Grumpy on February 21, 2023, 03:26:11 PM
And let’s not forget it was hunter Biden who took 10 million bucks from the mayor of moscow

Trumps only connection to Russia is the phony dossier Hilary and her corrupt machine planted to the feds  :thatsright: :loser: :loser: :loser:


All lies! It was the mayor's wife that gave Brandon's spawn the money.  :cheersmate:
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2023, 03:19:45 PM »
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Both Biden's values and political instincts are spot on correct about Ukraine. This is a hill we choose to fight on, that gives us the upper hand and the moral high ground. Support for Ukraine is a banner we can proudly carry into the 2024 elections.

Ooops. Looks like democrats would be wise not to try what you're suggesting:

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1628384967615971328
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Re: As long as Trump is running for President 1/4th of Americans will essentially be
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2023, 03:46:55 PM »
Im hoping whoever the Dem candidate is, they actually accuse Repubs of being pro-Putin. It worked so well with the "deplorables".  :-)
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